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2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

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Hammer said:
Notre Dame starting QB Everett Golson is no longer enrolled at Notre Dame. Rumor are flying that he was expelled for plagiarizing on a final exam.
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Well, I give the school credit for their actions...how many other schools would expel their starting QB from a BCS bowl team for cheating? Heck, how many would even make them take exams?

I don't know if he needed a grade to remain eligible or something, but he just made a huge mistake. How many guys leave one program with a dishonorable discharge and prosper somewhere else?
 
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pirate said:
Well, I give the school credit for their actions...how many other schools would expel their starting QB from a BCS bowl team for cheating? Heck, how many would even make them take exams?

I don't know if he needed a grade to remain eligible or something, but he just made a huge mistake. How many guys leave one program with a dishonorable discharge and prosper somewhere else?
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I'd sure like to *think* both of my schools would. Alas.... At least Idaho took some well deserved penalties due to crappy grades.
 
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It's not like QB play was exactly the lynchpin of Notre Dame's success last year.
 
French Rage said:
It's not like QB play was exactly the lynchpin of Notre Dame's success last year.
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They'll have a younger line this year and a coach that would run the same offense if he had Tom Brady or Michael Vick. Golson might not have been all- world but their anemic red-zone offense would have been worse had he not scrambled for a few key TD's. at least the Pitt game would have been a different outcome.

No way Rees runs for even 1/3 of Golson's yards.
 
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pirate said:
They'll have a younger line this year and a coach that would run the same offense if he had Tom Brady or Michael Vick. Golson might not have been all- world but their anemic red-zone offense would have been worse had he not scrambled for a few key TD's. at least the Pitt game would have been a different outcome.

No way Rees runs for even 1/3 of Golson's yards.
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Going to have to disagree with you on the same offence from Brian Kelly. Kelly has gone from a Tom Brady to a Micheal Vick type QB before. His 2002 NC was with Curt Anes, who was more of the typical pocket passer, and wasn't as mobile as he was the year before because of a nasty knee injury earlier in the playoffs that cost GVSU the 2001 championship game against North Dakota.

In 2003, he had a redshirt Freshman from Toledo transfer into the program and truthfully, Cullen Finnerty was more like Tim Tebow than Vick, but with a decent arm. It was a much different offence being run that year, but GVSU got a very nice results out of that deal, another NC and revenge against North Dakota. :D
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Not being able to stop a 4th and long cost them the game against North Dakota.
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GVSU wouldn't have needed to worry about stopping that 4th and long if we had Anes under center in 2001 at the Shoals. We had two different quarterbacks trying to run a simplified version of the playbook in that game. If Wojo was in, it was likely going to be a run. Brady was in, look for a pass. And GVSU still almost beat you with a shabby excuse of an offence that day.
 
bigmrg74 said:
Going to have to disagree with you on the same offence from Brian Kelly. Kelly has gone from a Tom Brady to a Micheal Vick type QB before. His 2002 NC was with Curt Anes, who was more of the typical pocket passer, and wasn't as mobile as he was the year before because of a nasty knee injury earlier in the playoffs that cost GVSU the 2001 championship game against North Dakota.

In 2003, he had a redshirt Freshman from Toledo transfer into the program and truthfully, Cullen Finnerty was more like Tim Tebow than Vick, but with a decent arm. It was a much different offence being run that year, but GVSU got a very nice results out of that deal, another NC and revenge against North Dakota. :D
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Perhaps I was too broad with my statement...with Rees and Crist he didn't make accommodation for their lack of mobility and e offense sputtered until they got somebody who could run the full spread option package. Without Golson they couldn't run the whole offense but they also didn't adjust for who they did have.

Now, in 3 years he'll have nothing but QB's he recruited and to some degree it won't matter which one plays...they will all be spread option QBs.

At ND he inherited Rees and Crist and has not shown much ability to have a productive offense without a running QB.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
GVSU wouldn't have needed to worry about stopping that 4th and long if we had Anes under center in 2001 at the Shoals. We had two different quarterbacks trying to run a simplified version of the playbook in that game. If Wojo was in, it was likely going to be a run. Brady was in, look for a pass. And GVSU still almost beat you with a shabby excuse of an offence that day.
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Excuses, excuses....
 
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QB play is always important in college football.

This development could make Notre Dame's tilt with ASU a little more interesting, given the pressure defense ASU plays, led by returning Pac 12 defensive player of the year Will Sutton.
 
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Craig P. said:
You could argue that the difference in QB play from '11 to '12 played a large role in the improvement in results.
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So, having never coached a football game, I'll tell you what I would do. It is contingent on one thing though: if Zaire appears to have the ability to handle a pile of info and terminology, I start him this fall. Rees can always come off the bench but Rees will not go 12-0, or 11-1 or 10-2. It is likely an early enrollee won't either, so if 9-3 or worse is suddenly in the picture, go with the guy who MIGHT get better as the year goes on and provide a springboard for the future.

If they feel Zaire cannot handle it (didn't he finish 2nd in that top 11 competition?) then Rees is the default. ND fans remember Charlie's disaster of starting Jackson in the first game of the season. Perhaps they start Rees and work Zaire into some packages as the year goes on.

To me it is a decision between thinning out the offense because Rees cannot run at all or thinning it out because the other guy is a freshman. We saw what a RS frosh could do, and the offense expanded as the year went on. With Rees you will start and finish with 70% of the offense, but the 30% is an entire facet of the offense (QB running). With Zaire you'll be able to pursue every facet but without the depth of reads, adjustments and audibles. Perhaps by a bowl game he'd be past 70% and there wouldn't be the hand wringing about the following fall.
 
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Kind of weird you got me to talking about GVSU's glory days. One of the key guys in that run is currently missing in the woods in Northern Michigan.

Former GVSU QB Cullen Finnerty Missing

Word has even some of the ND staff are up there looking right now.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Kind of weird you got me to talking about GVSU's glory days. One of the key guys in that run is currently missing in the woods in Northern Michigan.

Former GVSU QB Cullen Finnerty Missing

Word has even some of the ND staff are up there looking right now.
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Read about this today, real unfortunate situation...I respect people's wishes to do what they love to do but the woods/mountains/lakes can be an unforgiving place for someone to go alone. having lived in Maine for quite a while, I gained an appreciation for the opportunity to spend time in the 'wild' but also and appreciation for planning and communication.

I recall reading an article about the behavior of people lost in the woods...they eventually lose touch with reality and often undress and prepare for 'bed'...laying out jewelry etc. just like they were at home before lying down and succumbing. That has stuck with me decades later and I'd be unlikely to venture out too far from a cabin or onto a lake without another person.
 
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Sounds like they've just found his body about an hour ago. about 50 yards from a house by a group that was being lead by former GVSU HC and current ND OC Chuck Martin. :(:(:(
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/257971/14/Former-coach-Cullen-Finnerty-found-dead?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large

Found his body a half mile from his pontoon. The last phone ping was 1.5 miles away. Obviously he wasn't thinking rationally but by chance or perhaps by motive it looks like he was making his way back to where he started.
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Yeah, they're doing an autopsy on him, and they should have more of an idea of what happen after that. hard to say what happened to him out in the Woods like that by himself.
 
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pirate said:
I recall reading an article about the behavior of people lost in the woods...they eventually lose touch with reality and often undress and prepare for 'bed'...laying out jewelry etc. just like they were at home before lying down and succumbing. That has stuck with me decades later and I'd be unlikely to venture out too far from a cabin or onto a lake without another person.
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I know it's not football related and I don't mean to derail the thread, but do you have a link to that article by chance? I only wonder as I do a lot of solo excursions, and have read dozens of books and articles on those who get lost -- and I've never heard of this. My experiences, within the US at least, run the gamut from a routine one night jaunt over Paintbrush Divide in the Tetons to a brutal high altitude 80 mile slog through the relatively poorly mapped Weminuche Wilderness.

I've read extensively on both successful and failed survival situations in pretty much every environment this planet has to offer, and the only behavior I've ever come across that comes close to what you mention is that of some unfortunate souls who had to experience Vietnam -- and that certainly is not a routine survival situation, especially from a psychological standpoint. The general pattern of those who die in the wild is that, assuming they didn't suffer some catastrophic injury in the first place, is that they run out of energy and remain stationary, eventually succumbing to basic starvation. Never once has the outcome been paired up with something like you describe, best I can recall. Any more info on that?
 
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