LakerFan99
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Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
Of course, Fish asked how many D-3 grads are in the NHL. That would eliminate Selleck.
Of course, Fish asked how many D-3 grads are in the NHL. That would eliminate Selleck.
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2013 D3 Pro Signings
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Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
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Of course, Fish asked how many D-3 grads are in the NHL. That would eliminate Selleck.
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Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
I get you, but that's still an impressive jump from D-3 to an NHL organization, diploma in hand or not.
Ya know, I watch a ton of hockey on both sides of The Great Divide, and it can be very difficult to assess the talent re: D-1 v. D-3. I see a few individuals every year at the D-3 level who appear to have the wheels and hands to play anywhere in D-1, yet they never make it out of the low-minors when they turn pro.
Occasionally, there is a decent basis of comparison, such as when the U-18 team hammers a good D-3 squad, then goes on to be buried by a mediocre D-1 team a night or two later... (Still, it's hard to know how much stock to put into that, when you consider that even the best D-3 teams have a few bad players on their 3rd and 4th lines.)
I'm thinking that D-3 isn't scouted much at all... That's the only way I can make any sense of the situation.
Of course, Fish asked how many D-3 grads are in the NHL. That would eliminate Selleck.
I get you, but that's still an impressive jump from D-3 to an NHL organization, diploma in hand or not.
Ya know, I watch a ton of hockey on both sides of The Great Divide, and it can be very difficult to assess the talent re: D-1 v. D-3. I see a few individuals every year at the D-3 level who appear to have the wheels and hands to play anywhere in D-1, yet they never make it out of the low-minors when they turn pro.
Occasionally, there is a decent basis of comparison, such as when the U-18 team hammers a good D-3 squad, then goes on to be buried by a mediocre D-1 team a night or two later... (Still, it's hard to know how much stock to put into that, when you consider that even the best D-3 teams have a few bad players on their 3rd and 4th lines.)
I'm thinking that D-3 isn't scouted much at all... That's the only way I can make any sense of the situation.
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
There is a mindset with many Minor league GMs and Head Coaches that D3 players are lacking or missing key skill components. They're often skeptical of their numbers, because of the level of competition they faced since some D3 teams are weak after the first 2 lines. The D3 players will get invited to AA level camps ( ECHL or CHL), but few stick the entire season unless they really show that some scouts/coaches missed the boat. They'll usually end up at the A level (SPHL), and need to work their way up thru the system. Those years spent righting a wrong analysis kills many players ambition and drive.
I think the NCAA is the biggest obstacle for D3 players getting to higher levels. There are some D3 players that could of moved up to play D1 after they showed that they had the skills to do so. However, most all of them don't like the idea of having to sit out a year IF they transferred. Being dormant for a season, or a coaching change at the D1 school, while your sitting, could be a real dose of cold water on your making the team.
There is a mindset with many Minor league GMs and Head Coaches that D3 players are lacking or missing key skill components. They're often skeptical of their numbers, because of the level of competition they faced since some D3 teams are weak after the first 2 lines. The D3 players will get invited to AA level camps ( ECHL or CHL), but few stick the entire season unless they really show that some scouts/coaches missed the boat. They'll usually end up at the A level (SPHL), and need to work their way up thru the system. Those years spent righting a wrong analysis kills many players ambition and drive.
I think the NCAA is the biggest obstacle for D3 players getting to higher levels. There are some D3 players that could of moved up to play D1 after they showed that they had the skills to do so. However, most all of them don't like the idea of having to sit out a year IF they transferred. Being dormant for a season, or a coaching change at the D1 school, while your sitting, could be a real dose of cold water on your making the team.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
Sounds about right, but I will say that I haven't seen many D-3 guys who play both ends well...
And as far as D-3 in general goes, there are plenty of teams with very little talent/athleticism from the top line to the 4th, so it's understandable that the NHL pays little attention to individual stats in that context.
There are exceptional players in D-3, though... I see a few of them each year, and it seems fair to me that those few guys should be getting a tryout at the AHL level, and not bucking for a spot at some dead-end ECHL team.
Sounds about right, but I will say that I haven't seen many D-3 guys who play both ends well...
And as far as D-3 in general goes, there are plenty of teams with very little talent/athleticism from the top line to the 4th, so it's understandable that the NHL pays little attention to individual stats in that context.
There are exceptional players in D-3, though... I see a few of them each year, and it seems fair to me that those few guys should be getting a tryout at the AHL level, and not bucking for a spot at some dead-end ECHL team.
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
SNC grads, Cody Keefer and Kyle Stroh, have signed with Rapid City (CHL)..
SNC grads, Cody Keefer and Kyle Stroh, have signed with Rapid City (CHL)..
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
Not to sound like Negative Nellie, but hockey's low-minors just barely qualify as professional hockey...
I actually had a friend who played for the Elmira Jackals for a few years, and he was quick to point-out that everyone on the team had a regular day-job, aside from a few young guys who were living with friends/family in order to make ends meet... You can't make a living in the ECHL, let alone in the more obscure leagues.
Not to sound like Negative Nellie, but hockey's low-minors just barely qualify as professional hockey...
I actually had a friend who played for the Elmira Jackals for a few years, and he was quick to point-out that everyone on the team had a regular day-job, aside from a few young guys who were living with friends/family in order to make ends meet... You can't make a living in the ECHL, let alone in the more obscure leagues.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
Eric Tallent - Norwich '10 has signed with the Tulsa Oilers of the CHL.
Eric Tallent - Norwich '10 has signed with the Tulsa Oilers of the CHL.
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Brendan Roberts (F)- Marian University- signed w/ Mississippi River Kings (SPHL)
Devin Mantha (F)- UW- Eau Claire- signed w/ Mississippi River Kings (SPHL)
Nicholas Salvaggio (D)- Becker College- signed w/ Peoria Riverman (SPHL)
David Graham (F)- Becker College- signed w/ Peoria Riverman (SPHL)
Brendan Roberts (F)- Marian University- signed w/ Mississippi River Kings (SPHL)
Devin Mantha (F)- UW- Eau Claire- signed w/ Mississippi River Kings (SPHL)
Nicholas Salvaggio (D)- Becker College- signed w/ Peoria Riverman (SPHL)
David Graham (F)- Becker College- signed w/ Peoria Riverman (SPHL)
bakdraft21
Well-known member
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
looks like D3 has gone south for the winter
looks like D3 has gone south for the winter
elbojpb
Well-known member
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
Not true. They typically have "regular day-jobs" during the summer, but not during the season.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
That makes sense to me.
He did say that he didn't make a living-wage playing in the ECHL, though... One has to wonder how much lower the salaries are in the SPHL.
That makes sense to me.
He did say that he didn't make a living-wage playing in the ECHL, though... One has to wonder how much lower the salaries are in the SPHL.
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Phil Bushbacher- (F)- Lawrence University- St Charles Chill (CHL)
Alex Cottle -(F)- Plymouth State- Colorado Eagles (ECHL)
J.C. Richardson- (D)- Plymouth State- Colorado Eagles (ECHL)
Richie Zobak- (D)- Plymouth State- Colorado Eagles (ECHL)
Brandon Hew- (D)- Amherst College- Bakersfield Condors (ECHL)
Ryan Patsch- (F)- Curry College- Danbury Whalers (FHL)
Phil Bushbacher- (F)- Lawrence University- St Charles Chill (CHL)
Alex Cottle -(F)- Plymouth State- Colorado Eagles (ECHL)
J.C. Richardson- (D)- Plymouth State- Colorado Eagles (ECHL)
Richie Zobak- (D)- Plymouth State- Colorado Eagles (ECHL)
Brandon Hew- (D)- Amherst College- Bakersfield Condors (ECHL)
Ryan Patsch- (F)- Curry College- Danbury Whalers (FHL)
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Zach Josepher - Oswego State - Florida Everblades (ECHL)
This kid is a monster. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move up to the AHL someday. The Everblades are affiliated with the Syracuse Crunch, so maybe it could be a homecoming for him.
Also:
Harry Radovich - Hobart - Florida Everblades (ECHL)
Zach Josepher - Oswego State - Florida Everblades (ECHL)
This kid is a monster. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move up to the AHL someday. The Everblades are affiliated with the Syracuse Crunch, so maybe it could be a homecoming for him.
Also:
Harry Radovich - Hobart - Florida Everblades (ECHL)
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bakdraft21
Well-known member
Re: 2013 D3 Pro Signings
i believe he is on the training camp roster, but hope he makes the team,also looks like evan chlanda.utica is there as well