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2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
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Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
All I can say for sure is that the Gofs won't fallout.
All I can say for sure is that the Gofs won't fallout.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I doubt that a 19-17 record would get them an at-large bid.
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
I think it's interesting that this far into the season, the Pairwise still disagrees quite a bit with the polls.
I think it's interesting that this far into the season, the Pairwise still disagrees quite a bit with the polls.
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
I find that the Pairwise mostly just disagrees with my digestive system.
I find that the Pairwise mostly just disagrees with my digestive system.
ManBehindTheCurtain
Great and powerful wizard
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
PairWise as of this week produces a tournament I would like to see:
Robert Morris at Minnesota
North Dakota at Wisconsin
Clarkson at Cornell
BU at Harvard
PairWise as of this week produces a tournament I would like to see:
Robert Morris at Minnesota
North Dakota at Wisconsin
Clarkson at Cornell
BU at Harvard
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Three WCHA teams on one side of the bracket and three ECAC on the other? No thanks. I'd rather see a little more crossover in a perfect world.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
Of course you guys feel that way
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
I dunno, Canucks love a guaranteed East-West final. They do it in the CFL and even more telling, it is done that way with the big boys in both the NHL and AHL.
There is something to be said for an East-West final, and the proposed bracket is divided perfectly down the middle on geography. East has the top 4 HE-ECAC teams and West has top four CHA-WCHA teams.
Interestingly to note that is a lot of disparity between the East and the West in the NHL this year. Much more compared to years past.
I dunno, Canucks love a guaranteed East-West final. They do it in the CFL and even more telling, it is done that way with the big boys in both the NHL and AHL.
There is something to be said for an East-West final, and the proposed bracket is divided perfectly down the middle on geography. East has the top 4 HE-ECAC teams and West has top four CHA-WCHA teams.
Interestingly to note that is a lot of disparity between the East and the West in the NHL this year. Much more compared to years past.
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robertearle
Well-known member
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
As long as the subject is the Pairwise....
On the men's side, 'TUC record' as a component of the Pair comparisons has been done away with; replaced with a "Quality Win Bonus".
I have asked Arlan if knew whether such a change would also apply to the women, and he said he'd look into it. (He said he doubted that it would, because one of the main reasons for the change - more non-conference games being played, with more of them held at the 'big schools' - really doesn't apply to the women. I countered that another reason given - the "TUC cliff" - would still apply to the women.)
So until further notice and info, take any set of Pairwise calculation that include a TUC record comparison with a large grain of salt.
You can read some more about the mens' change here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/10/02_embrace_the_change.php
As long as the subject is the Pairwise....
On the men's side, 'TUC record' as a component of the Pair comparisons has been done away with; replaced with a "Quality Win Bonus".
I have asked Arlan if knew whether such a change would also apply to the women, and he said he'd look into it. (He said he doubted that it would, because one of the main reasons for the change - more non-conference games being played, with more of them held at the 'big schools' - really doesn't apply to the women. I countered that another reason given - the "TUC cliff" - would still apply to the women.)
So until further notice and info, take any set of Pairwise calculation that include a TUC record comparison with a large grain of salt.
You can read some more about the mens' change here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/10/02_embrace_the_change.php
Nowheresville
Registered User
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
The difference is that in the pro leagues, teams from the east and west are playing each other all regular season long. In college, especially on the womens side, the only time you get any significant east-west games is during the tournament. More conference matchups in the first round just mean fewer opportunities for new matchups.
The difference is that in the pro leagues, teams from the east and west are playing each other all regular season long. In college, especially on the womens side, the only time you get any significant east-west games is during the tournament. More conference matchups in the first round just mean fewer opportunities for new matchups.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
like I said earlier this year, you people out east will try anything and everything to stack the deck to try to win the NCAA tourney except for one thing:
improve
actually, it probably isn't so much an east/west thing, it's more of a Canadians out east thing
like I said earlier this year, you people out east will try anything and everything to stack the deck to try to win the NCAA tourney except for one thing:
improve
actually, it probably isn't so much an east/west thing, it's more of a Canadians out east thing
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
No matter how you "stack it", your words, not mine, you still have to beat the top team from the other region to win the crown. I like the east-west idea, less travel during the quarters and guarantees representation from all regions in the F4.
No matter how you "stack it", your words, not mine, you still have to beat the top team from the other region to win the crown. I like the east-west idea, less travel during the quarters and guarantees representation from all regions in the F4.
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
Women's college D1 hockey won't truly arrive until the NCAA starts to give it equal treatment to the men. That is to say, base its NCAA tournament pairings almost entirely on the Pairwise seedings instead of mainly on travel considerations. College athletics is a huge business, and in the grand scheme of things the extra cost of travel would be a mere pittance.
Women's college D1 hockey won't truly arrive until the NCAA starts to give it equal treatment to the men. That is to say, base its NCAA tournament pairings almost entirely on the Pairwise seedings instead of mainly on travel considerations. College athletics is a huge business, and in the grand scheme of things the extra cost of travel would be a mere pittance.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I don't like a East/West segregation, and luckily, the NCAA hasn't gone all in with that idea because at least the top four teams are now seeded. Pro sports are an entirely different animal. In some pro leagues, there are conferences representing the East and the West, but these can get out of whack with franchises relocating or being added. In leagues like the NFL and MLB, conferences are separated by geography -- two teams from the same city are often in different conferences.
The best model for an emerging sport like NCAA women's ice hockey, where attendance and interest clearly still need to grow, is to facilitate the meeting of the two best teams in the championship, have the four best teams at the Frozen Four more often than not, and hope for the most intriguing match ups throughout. We have had far too many conference tournament retreads in the quarters of late, and the majority of them have been a disappointment as far as entertainment value goes.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
TROLLING ALERT, DO NOT RESPOND
--The men's tournament only seeds 25% of teams. The women's tournament seeds a whopping 50% of teams.
--The men's tournament does the exact same thing that the women's tournament does: They seed however many teams, sort the rest by pairwise, and then adjust based on travel considerations (for attendance instead of travel, but the point remains).
I mean honestly, the incessant whining from the men's fanbases out west every time an eastern team gets to stay in Manchester or Worcester or whatever is incredible. How do you not notice the complaining about that?
I genuinely don't know how much of your respective men's teams you guys follow but you should take a spin around the men's forum in March, it's like people copy and paste from the previous year's threads.
I know BC's quarterfinals of late have all been incredible games. Maybe it's just a better quality of hockey out here and out west the talent level is too low to produce exciting hockey? :shrug:
(Okay now *I* was clearly just trolling on that last part
)
TROLLING ALERT, DO NOT RESPOND
END OF TROLLING ALERT
That's really not true though.
--The men's tournament only seeds 25% of teams. The women's tournament seeds a whopping 50% of teams.
--The men's tournament does the exact same thing that the women's tournament does: They seed however many teams, sort the rest by pairwise, and then adjust based on travel considerations (for attendance instead of travel, but the point remains).
I mean honestly, the incessant whining from the men's fanbases out west every time an eastern team gets to stay in Manchester or Worcester or whatever is incredible. How do you not notice the complaining about that?
I genuinely don't know how much of your respective men's teams you guys follow but you should take a spin around the men's forum in March, it's like people copy and paste from the previous year's threads.
They do this by making the #1 and #2 seeds not play each other until the finals.
They do this by seeding the top 4 teams and ensuring that none of those top 4 teams play each other in the first round.
This statement is correct if by "We" you are referring to "Minnesota."
I know BC's quarterfinals of late have all been incredible games. Maybe it's just a better quality of hockey out here and out west the talent level is too low to produce exciting hockey? :shrug:
(Okay now *I* was clearly just trolling on that last part
)
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OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations
That was funny. Better watch your back for the Pokemon now.
BC's quarterfinals of late have all been incredible games. Maybe it's just a better quality of hockey out here and out west the talent level is too low to produce exciting hockey? :shrug:
(Okay now *I* was clearly just trolling on that last part
That was funny. Better watch your back for the Pokemon now.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
BC played a quarterfinal that was a rematch of a conference tourney game? Must have missed that, or unbeknownst to me, one of Dartmouth, Minnesota, St. Lawrence, or Harvard joined Hockey East.