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2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

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Kepler said:
Obama tops 80% in the 538 Chance of Winning algortihm. The predicted EV right now is 320-220, with popular vote 52-47.

VA is now listed as 77% chance for Obama.
FL 67% Obama.
CO 76% Obama.
NV 86% Obama.
OH 75% Obama.
IA 76% Obama.
CO 76% Obama.
NH 86% Obama.
NC 57% Romney.

Obama also outraised Romney in August, $114M - $112M.
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And Romney went on the National Talk Shows with Ryan and 1. Praised Obamacare, and 2. Had no details whatsoever on his proposed new tax policy.

He's a bumbling idiot.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Barf. Bush I couldn't get reelected. Bush II destroyed the country. Now we're going Bush III?
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Agreed. Bush's Brother + Liberal comments on immigration = Doom. Jeb could very well have been a better Prez than his bro, but we tried Bush nostaglia already and it was a total disaster.

Again assuming no Romney this year Ryan-Rubio makes the most sense. GOP needs to get younger, more diverse, and compete in the Rust Belt while nailing down Florida.
 
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Rover said:
Agreed. Bush's Brother + Liberal comments on immigration = Doom. Jeb could very well have been a better Prez than his bro, but we tried Bush nostaglia already and it was a total disaster.
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No matter who they run the GOP must pivot on immigration. It has always been their long-term strategy to drive a wedge into Hispanic support using religious conservatism. 2012 is the last time they will be able to run an angry old white male election. They can't close the gender gap because of their Biblical misogyny, so they will get younger and browner in a big hurry.
 
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Kepler said:
No matter who they run the GOP must pivot on immigration.
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Pivot? You mean 180.

This election cycle was supposed to be a referendum on Obama. Obama managed to change it to a choice election. Since becoming a choice election Romney has decided he likes the other guys choices better except when it comes to war.

What the hell is going on?
 
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Kepler said:
Have you met your fellow voters?

He has a herpa-derp accent so that's a floor of 48%. Throw in his money, his pals' money, the national exhaustion that usually follows an 8-year hold on the WH, and the apparent lack of a serious heir to Obama, and I'd give him even money today.
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If you looked beyond his last name at what he's actually saying, you'd be surprised how much there is to like about Jeb. He's a far better candidate for common sense (debt control, military cuts, etc.) than either Obama or Romney. Of course, the shallowness of our electorate means his last name will make him un-electable anyway.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And Romney went on the National Talk Shows with Ryan and 1. Praised Obamacare, and 2. Had no details whatsoever on his proposed new tax policy.

He's a bumbling idiot.
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To be fair to Romney, he never thought he would actually have to talk to "you people" during the campaign.

He always looks vaguely annoyed that he actually has to appeal for votes. In the business world you just buy shares and take control. That's what Republicans mean when they say they want to run government "like a business."
 
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Kepler said:
Obama tops 80% in the 538 Chance of Winning algortihm. The predicted EV right now is 320-220, with popular vote 52-47.

VA is now listed as 77% chance for Obama.
FL 67% Obama.
CO 76% Obama.
NV 86% Obama.
OH 75% Obama.
IA 76% Obama.
CO 76% Obama.
NH 86% Obama.
NC 57% Romney.

Obama also outraised Romney in August, $114M - $112M.
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I read elsewhere that Romney pulled his ads off the air for a week or so in Ohio. He plans on starting up later this week.

Does he think he can take whatever leftover money he doesn't spend and put it in the Caymans?
 
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geezer said:
If you looked beyond his last name at what he's actually saying, you'd be surprised how much there is to like about Jeb. He's a far better candidate for common sense (debt control, military cuts, etc.) than either Obama or Romney. Of course, the shallowness of our electorate means his last name will make him un-electable anyway.
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His foreign policy stances are rigidly neoconservative. You're not the only person who has looked past the last name. Jeb would be the same old smashmouth garbage -- a diplomatic disaster for everybody but arms dealers.
 
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bronconick said:
I read elsewhere that Romney pulled his ads off the air for a week or so in Ohio. He plans on starting up later this week.

Does he think he can take whatever leftover money he doesn't spend and put it in the Caymans?
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You can keep your warchest, right? It would be the Greatest Troll of All Time. How to get the far right to give you $1B.
 
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Kepler said:
You can keep your warchest, right? It would be the Greatest Troll of All Time. How to get the far right to give you $1B.
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Hell of a lot easier than writing a book or two and going on the lecture tour.
 
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Kepler said:
No matter who they run the GOP must pivot on immigration. It has always been their long-term strategy to drive a wedge into Hispanic support using religious conservatism. 2012 is the last time they will be able to run an angry old white male election. They can't close the gender gap because of their Biblical misogyny, so they will get younger and browner in a big hurry.
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See, I know that's the popular analysis, but political parties don't always act rationally. I don't think 2012 is the last "angry white male" election. I say they double down in 2016 in the event of a 2012 loss. Nobody on the right feels that Romney is a True Believer, and they're going to try and run one next time around. I'm curious if there's any moderate that you see waiting in the wings to make it through the primaries.
 
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Rover said:
See, I know that's the popular analysis, but political parties don't always act rationally. I don't think 2012 is the last "angry white male" election. I say they double down in 2016 in the event of a 2012 loss. Nobody on the right feels that Romney is a True Believer, and they're going to try and run one next time around. I'm curious if there's any moderate that you see waiting in the wings to make it through the primaries.
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I think Jeb can run a campaign stressing the American Dream in a positive way. On foreign policy he has extremist views, but he doesn't really have skin in any other game (other than the usual ploy to keep tax rates low on the trust fund set). He has a lot of room to run an inclusive "compassionate conservative" campaign.

And as we learned with Dubya, it can be BS. Republicans learned a long time ago to run to the center and govern to the right. That's what makes Romney-Ryan so interesting. They are actually running to the right.
 
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Kepler said:
And as we learned with Dubya, it can be BS. Republicans learned a long time ago to run to the center and govern to the right. That's what makes Romney-Ryan so interesting. They are actually running to the right.
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Not with this weekends flip-flops. The Etch-A-Sketch shake happened after the convention.
 
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Rover said:
When even CNBC (aka GOP shills) is questioning Romney's tax plan, that's a problem....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48970203
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I wish it were so that conservatives would speak up against Romney. Two problems, however. 1) You were thinking of "FOX." I have no doubt that CNBC is just as liberal as CNN, ABC, or MSNBC. 2) That was actually content from the New York Times (DNC owned paper) that they had linked to, so the Romney opposition is even less surprising.
 
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4.029 for regular gas down the street, even Romney can beat Obama if this keeps up
 
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You're pretty much reduced to harping on gas prices, aren't you?
 
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walrus said:
4.029 for regular gas down the street, even Romney can beat Obama if this keeps up
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bronconick said:
You're pretty much reduced to harping on gas prices, aren't you?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/07/us-usa-whitehouse-oil-idUSBRE8851CX20120907

If prices don't drop below $4/gal soon, Obama will probably just dump some of the strategic reserve to bring prices down in October. Any President, regardless of party affiliation, would do just the same as part of a reelection bid.
 
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