2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

No one should deserve credit for signing on a dotted line. The ones who truly deserve the credit are the intel officers that devised the plan, the contractors responsible for developing the means the execute the plan, and the soldiers themselves for the execution of the plan. No one else.

So we'll put you down for Dubya getting zero credit for unseating Saddam. Good to know.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

BTW, in case anyone was wondering, an update on a possible new South Dakota refinery that would be built by Hyperion, the same company I referenced earlier: http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/lo...cle_7cf33fa1-150e-5ca8-9fef-094885f62405.html

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

So we'll put you down for Dubya getting zero credit for unseating Saddam. Good to know.

When did I ever say Dubya did that? Heck, he didn't even break the news!

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Of course Obama deserves credit for authorizing the mission. During the debates he said plainly he'd go after Bin Laden in Pakistan without giving that country's (corrupt) leaders a heads-up. Grampa Simpson McCain went berserk over that, but look what happened. OBL was indeed hiding out next door to an army base in Pakistan, and clearly would have been off like a thief in the night had Obama given Pakistan prior warning of the mission.

If OBL was so easy to bag, why didn't it happen during the Bush administration?

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

OBL was indeed hiding out next door to an army base in Pakistan, and clearly would have been off like a thief in the night had Obama given Pakistan prior warning of the mission.

I'm pretty sure OBL was a Visiting Instructor (Emeritus) at that army base, if not a Minister without Portfolio in the Pakistani cabinet.

If a Republican president had made that call, NRO would have declared him Emperor for Life and the GOP would be calling for May 2 to be a national holiday.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Of course Obama deserves credit for authorizing the mission. During the debates he said plainly he'd go after Bin Laden in Pakistan without giving that country's (corrupt) leaders a heads-up. Grampa Simpson McCain went berserk over that, but look what happened. OBL was indeed hiding out next door to an army base in Pakistan, and clearly would have been off like a thief in the night had Obama given Pakistan prior warning of the mission.

If OBL was so easy to bag, why didn't it happen during the Bush administration?

Democrats protested at every turn because they wanted the credit. It just goes to prove why they truly are attention whores.

 

[Carter]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Don't I remember Carter taking a tremendous amount of crap when the military failed to rescue the hostages?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Don't I remember Carter taking a tremendous amount of crap when the military failed to rescue the hostages?

I wouldn't know, as I came to be during the Reagan administration. That's the country's obsession over a single point of failure, though.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

If a Republican president had made that call, NRO would have declared him Emperor for Life and the GOP would be calling for May 2 to be a national holiday.

Exactly. Flag would be lined up to serve as one of Bush's apostles in this effort.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The higher the price of gas the less money anyone has to spend on anything else. Scooby has it right, oil companies like no new refineries as it keeps prices up. Not sure what refinery margins are right now but they must be pretty good .

I would imagine they're stellar.

The oil business isn't a monopoly. Another company could very well build it and take money potential away from the competition. I believe Hyperion looked into doing this around 2007. http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/14/us-refinery-hyperion-idUSN1340544120070614

It should have been a major part of the jobs plan to get that finished, and get the pipeline in. No brainers.


As for Bin Laden, if Bush had done it they'd want money with his picture on it and to add him to Mount Rushmore somehow.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

As for Bin Laden, if Bush had done it they'd want money with his picture on it and to add him to Mount Rushmore somehow.

You are absolutely, 100% right about this.

But what would the Democrats have been saying about it?

Just goes to show that where you stand depends almost entirely on which side of the aisle you're sitting.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

It should have been a major part of the jobs plan to get that finished, and get the pipeline in. No brainers.

At least we can agree on infrastructure. Actually, in another link I provided about Hyperion, it sounds like they want to build a major oil refinery in South Dakota, which would eliminate environmentalist Nebraska (which was the main proponent against Keystone) from the Keystone pipeline argument altogether. What's holding it up? Permits. Whether environmentalist or NIMBY related, it doesn't matter, because we won't hear until October about the ability to even start building the refinery (district court hearing), and then they have to rush the building of it in order to get it in before the permit runs out, to which there has been no extension granted. Welcome to the issue of single-point-of-failure governance.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

You are absolutely, 100% right about this.

But what would the Democrats have been saying about it?

Just goes to show that where you stand depends almost entirely on which side of the aisle you're sitting.

Uh, the Democrats don't want Obama on money or Rushmore. The Repubs have been whining about Reagan getting on money for years.

At least we can agree on infrastructure. Actually, in another link I provided about Hyperion, it sounds like they want to build a major oil refinery in South Dakota, which would eliminate environmentalist Nebraska (which was the main proponent against Keystone) from the Keystone pipeline argument altogether. What's holding it up? Permits. Whether environmentalist or NIMBY related, it doesn't matter, because we won't hear until October about the ability to even start building the refinery (district court hearing), and then they have to rush the building of it in order to get it in before the permit runs out, to which there has been no extension granted. Welcome to the issue of single-point-of-failure governance.

Permits are what politicians are for. They can grease the wheels.

 

[joecct]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

A large grain of truth?

 

[unofan]

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The oil business isn't a monopoly. Another company could very well build it and take money potential away from the competition.

It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?

 

[LynahFan]

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Uh, the Democrats don't want Obama on money or Rushmore. The Repubs have been whining about Reagan getting on money for years.

Yes, exactly. Because my point was definitely that if Bush had ordered the strike on OBL, Democrats would have wanted to put Obama on Mt. Rushmore... You're usually pretty good, but you missed this one.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?

Oligopoly

 

[joecct]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?

But they can make the ethanol additive!!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?

With enough capital and going through the proper zoning procedures, absolutely. What do you think Hyperion is doing?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Heard more pathetic job numbers this morning. Romney should be winning by double digits by now. Good choice GOP.