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2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

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streaker said:
That 13% probably represents more taxes than you and I will pay in 10 years. I don't begrudge anyone's success until their bonuses depend on laying off thousands of people to earn it. Lesser people than Mitt have done that- regardless of their political beliefs. Of course, who needs repubs to do it in corporate America when the government is bankrupt and has to do the same thing.

The U.S. Gov't: We can't hire everybody.
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So, you're a freeloader too. Welcome to the club.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, you think its fair that he pays a smaller percentage just because he pays more?

I guess that works. You know if I paid everything I had right now in assets I couldn't even pay his tax bill at 13%. I guess that makes me a freeloader.
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How much should have he paid? I agree with walrus -- if he followed the tax code, he's done his civic duty. If you don't like what he paid, reform the tax code.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, you think its fair that he pays a smaller percentage just because he pays more?

I guess that works. You know if I paid everything I had right now in assets I couldn't even pay his tax bill at 13%. I guess that makes me a freeloader.
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Whats fair got to do with what is legal? I don't see you whining about what Obama paid in, he certainly could afford to pay in more , why aren't you whining about Obama?
 
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joecct said:
How much should have he paid? I agree with walrus -- if he followed the tax code, he's done his civic duty. If you don't like what he paid, reform the tax code.
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I don't have the money to lobby for that change like he and his friends evidently do. So, I guess I'm forked.

walrus said:
Whats fair got to do with what is legal?
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I'll tell you what it does have to do with. He should release his tax returns so America knows exactly who they are voting for.

EDIT: I'm jealous I didn't come up with MaizeRage's response. Well done.
 
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walrus said:
Was it illegal? Is the IRS prosecuting him?
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No. It's also not illegal to take a student loan, or use medicare, or need food stamps. The issue isn't that taking help is wrong or bad. It's that it's classified as perfectly acceptable when Mitt Romney does it, but freeloading when other people do it.
 
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MaizeRage said:
No. It's also not illegal to take a student loan, or use medicare, or need food stamps. The issue isn't that taking help is wrong or bad. It's that it's classified as perfectly acceptable when Mitt Romney does it, but freeloading when other people do it.
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So Obama is a freeloader also?
 
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MaizeRage said:
Only by Mitt Romney's definition, which is another reason why it's a bat**** dumb belief to have.
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So you agree with Mitt then? Everyone is a freeloader? or you don't and therefore Mitt isn't a freeloader?
 
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walrus said:
So you agree with Mitt then? Everyone is a freeloader? or you don't and therefore Mitt isn't a freeloader?
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No, Mitt said that 47% were freeloaders. He's not in the 47% if he pays income taxes, which he does. Why are you being obtuse?
 
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Why is Mittens Romney allowed to take advantage of off shore tax havens to lower what's due to the IRS while the rest of us who couldn't get our phone calls returned from said offshore tax havens have to shell out even more of our hard earned dollars on a % basis? I mean, I go to work every day and earn my salary. Romney hasn't had a full time job since 2006....
 
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Rover said:
Why is Mittens Romney allowed to take advantage of off shore tax havens to lower what's due to the IRS while the rest of us who couldn't get our phone calls returned from said offshore tax havens have to shell out even more of our hard earned dollars on a % basis? I mean, I go to work every day and earn my salary. Romney hasn't had a full time job since 2006....
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Sounds like an interesting business opportunity for someone here in the States (setting up offshore accounts for the rest of us to hide our money in). But, I doubt that its legal.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, Mitt said that 47% were freeloaders. He's not in the 47% if he pays income taxes, which he does. Why are you being obtuse?
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Did he say freeloaders? Does anyone find it troubling that 47% of the population is receiving some sort of payment from the government??

In terms of winning the White House with an austerity pledge (FWIW), the idea of telling some of that 47% that you're off the payment rolls may seem a bit suicidal.
 
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joecct said:
Did he say freeloaders? Does anyone find it troubling that 47% of the population is receiving some sort of payment from the government??

In terms of winning the White House with an austerity pledge (FWIW), the idea of telling some of that 47% that you're off the payment rolls may seem a bit suicidal.
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There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it...These are people who pay no income tax, 47% of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. So he'll (President Obama) be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.
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I think we can accept "freeloader" as a synonym for the highlighted above. I think Maize's point is perfect. Somehow the tax laws that Mitt takes advantage of are ok but the tax laws the 47% take advantage of are not. How does that make any sense?
 
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joecct said:
Did he say freeloaders? Does anyone find it troubling that 47% of the population is receiving some sort of payment from the government??

In terms of winning the White House with an austerity pledge (FWIW), the idea of telling some of that 47% that you're off the payment rolls may seem a bit suicidal.
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Where did you get that 47% of people get a payment from the govenment?

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/dependency-and-romneys-47-percenters/
 
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MaizeRage said:
No. It's also not illegal to take a student loan, or use medicare, or need food stamps. The issue isn't that taking help is wrong or bad. It's that it's classified as perfectly acceptable when Mitt Romney does it, but freeloading when other people do it.
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If somebody comes to your house and contributes $5 for beer and then drinks $10 worth would you put them in the same category as the guy who contributes $15 and drinks $10 worth? Whatever you want to call each of them, they aren't the same.

Now, as host of the party, you should feel responsible for both of them while in your house and driving home. Wouldn't be real smart to go around saying you don't care if the first guy crashes on the way home. Especially on camera.
 
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pirate said:
If somebody comes to your house and contributes $5 for beer and then drinks $10 worth would you put them in the same category as the guy who contributes $15 and drinks $10 worth? Whatever you want to call each of them, they aren't the same.
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Holy BS analogies Batman!!!!
 
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Rover said:
Why is Mittens Romney allowed to take advantage of off shore tax havens to lower what's due to the IRS while the rest of us who couldn't get our phone calls returned from said offshore tax havens have to shell out even more of our hard earned dollars on a % basis? I mean, I go to work every day and earn my salary. Romney hasn't had a full time job since 2006....
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Why shouldn't he if its legal?
 
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walrus said:
Why shouldn't he if its legal?
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I'm conceding that he should. I however take umbrage to him complaining about anyone else taking advantage of the tax law as he does.
 
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