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2012 NCAA FBS National Championship Tournament

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I very rarely agree with him, but I sort of liked what Mark May was saying last night about a conditional playoff. This year, I'd be just fine with handing the title to LSU and calling it a season.
 
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unofan said:
Hockey's numbers say it should go back to a 12 team tournament, frankly. It was already a bit of a stretch to expand to 16 when they did so, and we've lost a few teams since then (adding only Penn State).

The NCAA generally likes its tournament numbers to be around 20% of participating schools, though as with the case of hockey they'll stretch it to 25% on occasion and go as low as about 15% on the other end.
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Hopefully hockey goes back to 12 sometime soon.
 
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I have an idea. I actually co-opted parts of Ciskie's old plan. Here it is. Don't cut it up too bad.

First, it's a 24 team tournament. Conference winners get an auto-bid. The rest go to at-large's ranked by the BCS. Top 8 teams are seeded.

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Stanford
5. Arkansas
6. Oregon
7. Boise State
8. Wisconsin

The non-BCS ranked conference winners will be weighted by W-L, SOS, etc. I try to prevent conference rematches until the semis at least. Here's the list:

First Round
December 9
Louisiana Tech (WAC Champion) at West Virginia (Big East Champion)
Northern Illinois (MAC Champion) at Kansas State (at large)
Oklahoma (At large) at Clemson (ACC Champion)
Houston (At large) at Baylor (At large)

December 10
Georgia (At large) at Michigan State (At large)
Virginia Tech (At large) at Michigan (At large)
Arkansas State (Sun Belt Champion) at South Carolina (At large)
Southern Mississippi (Conference USA champion) at Texas Chrisitian (Mountain West Champion)

Round of 16
December 16
La. Tech-WVU winner at LSU (SEC Champion)
N. Ill.-K-State winner at Wisconsin (B1G Ten Champion)
Okla.-Clemson winner at Stanford (At large)
So. Miss-TCU winner at Arkansas (At large)

December 17
Georgia-Mich. State winner at Oklahoma State (Big XII Champion)
Va. Tech-Michigan winner at Oregon (Pac 12 Champion)
Ark. State-S. Car. winner at Boise State (At large)
Baylor-Houston winner at Alabama (At large)

Quarterfinals
(Games at higher seed)
December 22
La. Tech-WVU- LSU winner vs.N. Ill.-K-State - Wisconsin winner
So. Miss-TCU - Arkansas vs. Okla.-Clemson - Stanford winner

December 23
Va. Tech-Michigan - Oregon winner vs. Georgia-Mich. State - Oklahoma State winner
Ark. State-S. Car. - Boise State winner vs. Baylor-Houston - Alabama winner

Semifinals
(At neutral site, TBD)
January 1

Championship
(At neutral site, TBD)
January 9

Neutral sites can be rotated to Dallas, Glendale, Rose Bowl, New Orleans, Atlanta and other places. Let me know what you think.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
So Ice Hockey, which has 59 teams has a 16 team playoff, which is fair with 5 autobids. FBS Football, with 120 teams, should have the same 16 team playoff with 11 autobids? It's just not logical.
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Neither is the BCS, but a playoff would at least be better than that.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Neither is the BCS, but a playoff would at least be better than that.
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I think even a 24 team playoff format, as suggested, could work well. I just think it's crazy if a team that loses to Kansas and plays non AQ teams all year, gets into tournament but a team such as Georgia would not.

I don't really know what the best scenario would be, but I do think there needs to be a serious look taken at the BCS and its flaws.
 
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Just for the hell of it, let's say every conference champion was put in a playoff (seeding based off BCS standings):

1. LSU
2. Oklahoma State
3. Oregon
4. Wisconsin
5. Clemson
6. TCU
7. Southern Miss
8. West Virginia
9. Northern Illinois
10. Louisiana Tech
11. Arkansas State

**If you add in the top five at-large:

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Stanford
5. Oregon
6. Arkansas
7. Boise State
8. Kansas State
9. Wisconsin
10. Clemson
11. TCU
12. Southern Miss
13. West Virginia
14. Northern Illinois
15. Louisiana Tech
16. Arkansas State

1. LSU
16. Arkansas State

8. Kansas State
9. Wisconsin

5. Oregon
12. Southern Miss

4. Stanford
13. West Virginia

2. Alabama
15. Louisiana Tech

7. Boise State
10. Clemson

6. Arkansas
11. TCU

3. Oklahoma State
14. Northern Illinois
 
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I think that's a pretty sweet field. There are fewer gimmes than I'd worried there might be, so earning a high seed has significant benefits.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
I think even a 24 team playoff format, as suggested, could work well. I just think it's crazy if a team that loses to Kansas and plays non AQ teams all year, gets into tournament but a team such as Georgia would not.

I don't really know what the best scenario would be, but I do think there needs to be a serious look taken at the BCS and its flaws.
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If Georgia doesn't want to be left out they need beaten LSU in the SEC championship game. And the #16 seeds in the NCAA tournament are not as good as the bubble teams that are left out as an at-large team. As it is the SEC would have 25% of the teams and 3 of the 5 at-large spots, I don't feel bad that the 5th best team (or 3rd or 4th best) from any BCS conference gets left out over a non-AQ conference championship.
 
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That 16 team format doesn't look nearly as bad as I thought..I kinda like it:eek:
 
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Almington said:
If Georgia doesn't want to be left out they need beaten LSU in the SEC championship game. And the #16 seeds in the NCAA tournament are not as good as the bubble teams that are left out as an at-large team. As it is the SEC would have 25% of the teams and 3 of the 5 at-large spots, I don't feel bad that the 5th best team (or 3rd or 4th best) from any BCS conference gets left out over a non-AQ conference championship.
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I'd rather argue about the 16th or 24th team in the field than who is #1 or #2.
 
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16 team tournament is 4 weekends

On weekend #1 you'll have 4 games on Friday and 4 games on Saturday. TV timing may be a problem, but if the MAC can play on Tuesdays, anything is possible....

But, travel for the Booster$ and ordinary fans will be a problem if you go to neutral sites for all the games. So I would propose keeping the 1st two rounds on campus so the top seeded team has an advantage of winning a top seed. Once you get to the semi-finals you can go to a neutral site.

However, would this kill the also ran bowls? Who wants to watch the NIT of college football?
 
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joecct said:
However, would this kill the also ran bowls? Who wants to watch the NIT of college football?
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Who wants to watch them now though? I mean, I do, but it's not like they're full of meaning now.
 
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As for the 16-team playoff, I'm usually pretty dismissive of "think of the children" style arguments, but I do think it has to at least be considered that this is final exams time of year. 4 weekends of games in December would probably cut into that pretty significantly. The easy solution to this is to cut out a game or two from the regular season, but there again you run into trouble with teams that need to have 7 home games a year to be able to support their other non-revenue programs.
 
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joecct said:
However, would this kill the also ran bowls? Who wants to watch the NIT of college football?
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Uh...the same people that already do? Or is the Capital One Bowl not already the NIT of college football?
 
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WeWantMore said:
As for the 16-team playoff, I'm usually pretty dismissive of "think of the children" style arguments, but I do think it has to at least be considered that this is final exams time of year. 4 weekends of games in December would probably cut into that pretty significantly. The easy solution to this is to cut out a game or two from the regular season, but there again you run into trouble with teams that need to have 7 home games a year to be able to support their other non-revenue programs.
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If you cut the season back to 11 games they can still get 7 home games most years. You can play the first round games last week, play the quarterfinals this week, the semifinals after Christmas, and the championship a week later.

Even if you make no changes you have 16 or fewer teams playing, so it isn't like you have 120 teams impacted. It isn't as if the schedule doesn't impact midterm exams, the schools would be more than able to make arrangements to administer the final exams to the students.
 
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unofan said:
Uh...the same people that already do? Or is the Capital One Bowl not already the NIT of college football?
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Capital One Bowl? The Capital One Bowl is usually between a very good Big Ten and SCC team.

1998 January 1, 1999 Michigan 45 Arkansas 31
1999 January 1, 2000 Michigan State 37 Florida 34
2000 January 1, 2001 Michigan 31 Auburn 28
2001 January 1, 2002 Tennessee 45 Michigan 17
2002 January 1, 2003 Auburn 13 Penn State 9
2003 January 1, 2004 Georgia 34 Purdue 27 (OT)
2004 January 1, 2005 Iowa 30 LSU 25
2005 January 2, 2006 Wisconsin 24 Auburn 10
2006 January 1, 2007 Wisconsin 17 Arkansas 14
2007 January 1, 2008 Michigan 41 Florida 35
2008 January 1, 2009 Georgia 24 Michigan State 12
2009 January 1, 2010 Penn State 19 LSU 17
2010 January 1, 2011 Alabama 49 Michigan State 7
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
I'd rather argue about the 16th or 24th team in the field than who is #1 or #2.
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This.

Hell, in D2 this year. Wayne State was the last team picked in their region. Some say Hillsdale or even Grand Valley would have been a better selection at the time as Wayne finished out the year losing 3 of their last five games. Saginaw Valley, Hillsdale, GVSU, and Wayne all ended up with having 3 losses, and the numbers worked out to be mostly in Saggy's and Wayne's favor. Now, Wayne State is in the semi-finals, a game away from playing in the championship. Could GVSU or Hillsdale make the same kind of run from the sixth spot, winning all of their playoff games on the road? Maybe, maybe not. But it sure as hell fun watching them trying to pull off the impossible.
 
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