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2012 NCAA FBS National Championship Tournament

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joecct

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OK, Foo the NCAA. Here is the tournament:
8 teams
3 weeks

Quarterfinals Friday / Saturday Dec 23/24 -- Campus Sites (problem is no students)
#8 Kansas State @ #1 LSU
#7 Boise State @ #2 Alabama
#6 Arkansas @ #3 Oklahoma State
#5 Oregon @ #4 Stanford

Semifinals January 2
Glendale, AZ 4/5 vs 1/8
Miami, FLA 3/6 vs. 2/7

Finals January 9
New Orleans

Then fill out the rest of the Bowls with the also rans.

Thoughts? Do you adjust the flip Oregon and Arkansas to avoid an intra conference matchup?
 
Re: 2012 NCAA FBS National Championship Tournament

joecct said:
OK, Foo the NCAA. Here is the tournament:
8 teams
3 weeks

Quarterfinals Friday / Saturday Dec 23/24 -- Campus Sites (problem is no students)
#8 Kansas State @ #1 LSU
#7 Boise State @ #2 Alabama
#6 Arkansas @ #3 Oklahoma State
#5 Oregon @ #4 Stanford

Semifinals January 2
Glendale, AZ 4/5 vs 1/8
Miami, FLA 3/6 vs. 2/7

Finals January 9
New Orleans

Then fill out the rest of the Bowls with the also rans.

Thoughts? Do you adjust the flip Oregon and Arkansas to avoid an intra conference matchup?
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Do a four team playoff. 1 v. 4, 2 v. 3 in respective BCS bowls, then winners play in BCS title game.
 
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If the lower divisions can do 16, 32, or however many D-3 does now, we can sure as hell do 8 teams. And there's plenty of time to do this and get it done by the first week of January.
 
Re: 2012 NCAA FBS National Championship Tournament

joecct said:
OK, Foo the NCAA. Here is the tournament:
8 teams
3 weeks

Quarterfinals Friday / Saturday Dec 23/24 -- Campus Sites (problem is no students)
#8 Kansas State @ #1 LSU
#7 Boise State @ #2 Alabama
#6 Arkansas @ #3 Oklahoma State
#5 Oregon @ #4 Stanford

Semifinals January 2
Glendale, AZ 4/5 vs 1/8
Miami, FLA 3/6 vs. 2/7

Finals January 9
New Orleans

Then fill out the rest of the Bowls with the also rans.

Thoughts? Do you adjust the flip Oregon and Arkansas to avoid an intra conference matchup?
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Drop Arkansas and KState, add Wisconsin (as B10 champs) and Clemson (as ACC champs), Make OU #4 seed (for winning the Pac-12) have Stanford play OKState, and UW play OU to avoid the first round intraconference match-up. Tell the Big East and all the other whiny conferences, that you have to finish in the top 15 for your conference champ to be included.

#8 Clemson @ #1 LSU
#7 Boise State @ #2 Alabama
#5 Stanford @ #3 Oklahoma State
#6 Wisconsin @ #4 Oregon
 
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I say 16 teams. 11 conference champions and five at-large teams. Alabama, Stanford, and Arkansas are obvious choices for at-large bids. I'm not sure who else would get them. K-State? VaTech? UofH?
 
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Craig P. said:
I say 16 teams. 11 conference champions and five at-large teams. Alabama, Stanford, and Arkansas are obvious choices for at-large bids. I'm not sure who else would get them. K-State? VaTech? UofH?
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Alabama, Stanford, Arkansas, Boise State, Kansas State would be the top 5 ranked teams who did not win their conference.
 
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Almington said:
Drop Arkansas and KState, add Wisconsin (as B10 champs) and Clemson (as ACC champs), Make OU #4 seed (for winning the Pac-12) have Stanford play OKState, and UW play OU to avoid the first round intraconference match-up. Tell the Big East and all the other whiny conferences, that you have to finish in the top 15 for your conference champ to be included.

#8 Clemson @ #1 LSU
#7 Boise State @ #2 Alabama
#5 Stanford @ #3 Oklahoma State
#6 Wisconsin @ #4 Oregon
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Have the conference champs host though maybe? interesting set up here.

I think the 11 automatic conference winners would be a joke. So with that Scenario, a team from the MAC gets in, for example, Northern Illinois this year won it at 10-3, with losses to Kansas and Central Michigan. Your at large bids would be #2 Alabama, #4 Stanford, #6 Arkansas, #7 Boise State, and #8 Kansas State.. (Barring a conference limit) This leaves out teams like South Carolina, Baylor, Oklahoma, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Georgia, etc, but includes Northern Illinois?
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Have the conference champs host though maybe? interesting set up here.

I think the 11 automatic conference winners would be a joke. So with that Scenario, a team from the MAC gets in, for example, Northern Illinois this year won it at 10-3, with losses to Kansas and Central Michigan. Your at large bids would be #2 Alabama, #4 Stanford, #6 Arkansas, #7 Boise State, and #8 Kansas State.. (Barring a conference limit) This leaves out teams like South Carolina, Baylor, Oklahoma, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Georgia, etc, but includes Northern Illinois?
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That's how every other NCAA sport works: each conference gets an autobid to the tournament. Don't like it, win your conference.
 
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Almington said:
That's how every other NCAA sport works: each conference gets an autobid to the tournament. Don't like it, win your conference.
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You're right, winning the MAC should be equivalent to winning the SEC, B1G, Big 12, etc.
 
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Cut the regular season back to 11 games and have a 32 team playoff, 11 conference champs and 21 at-large. Have the higher ranked team host.
 
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Almington said:
Cut the regular season back to 11 games and have a 32 team playoff, 11 conference champs and 21 at-large. Have the higher ranked team host.
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this would work much more effectively, as anyone left out of that bunch wouldn't really have any business playing for a NC anyways.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Is winning Atlantic Hockey equivalent to winning Hockey East or the WCHA?

Give the smaller conferences something to play for...
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Ask the Gophers..;)

I understand what you're saying, and that it would be cool to see the occasional MAC winner beat a Big 12 team, etc, but you can't have 6 current non AQ winners take spots from others and only let an additional five teams in. I'd be down with a 32 team playoff with 11 autobids, but referring to the post of 16 teams, 11 as autobids, I don't see that as fair.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Have the conference champs host though maybe? interesting set up here.

I think the 11 automatic conference winners would be a joke. So with that Scenario, a team from the MAC gets in, for example, Northern Illinois this year won it at 10-3, with losses to Kansas and Central Michigan. Your at large bids would be #2 Alabama, #4 Stanford, #6 Arkansas, #7 Boise State, and #8 Kansas State.. (Barring a conference limit) This leaves out teams like South Carolina, Baylor, Oklahoma, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Georgia, etc, but includes Northern Illinois?
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I'm perfectly fine with drawing the line at five at-large bids. If you can't win your conference or make it into the five at-larges, you're not a serious national title contender. The MAC teams will end up being punching bags, but that happens in just about every NCAA tournament (chief exception, offhand, being hockey). I think only a handful of teams are that bad, so they offer a bit of value: play well enough in the regular season, and you earn a gimme first round tournament game.
 
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Hammer said:
If the lower divisions can do 16, 32, or however many D-3 does now, we can sure as hell do 8 teams. And there's plenty of time to do this and get it done by the first week of January.
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**** right about this. And hell, most of them do it with having to worry about their exams during finals week as well. Shocking!!! :eek:
Craig P. said:
I'm perfectly fine with drawing the line at five at-large bids. If you can't win your conference or make it into the five at-larges, you're not a serious national title contender. The MAC teams will end up being punching bags, but that happens in just about every NCAA tournament (chief exception, offhand, being hockey). I think only a handful of teams are that bad, so they offer a bit of value: play well enough in the regular season, and you earn a gimme first round tournament game.
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Plus a pretty heafty check that they would get from whatever corporate sponsors and network that would want to air all of those games.
 
Craig P. said:
I'm perfectly fine with drawing the line at five at-large bids. If you can't win your conference or make it into the five at-larges, you're not a serious national title contender. The MAC teams will end up being punching bags, but that happens in just about every NCAA tournament (chief exception, offhand, being hockey). I think only a handful of teams are that bad, so they offer a bit of value: play well enough in the regular season, and you earn a gimme first round tournament game.
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So Ice Hockey, which has 59 teams has a 16 team playoff, which is fair with 5 autobids. FBS Football, with 120 teams, should have the same 16 team playoff with 11 autobids? It's just not logical.
 
MavHockey14 said:
So Ice Hockey, which has 59 teams has a 16 team playoff, which is fair with 5 autobids. FBS Football, with 120 teams, should have the same 16 team playoff with 11 autobids? It's just not logical.
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But you can play the regionals in hockey on a single weekend, football is a week to week sport, and we don't need this dragging out into SuperBore time.

8 teams would take 3 weeks, 16, 4 weeks. Cut out one week of the regular season (OMG! teams might not be able to schedule a game against JoeBob Hick Tech?!?!) Oh well.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
So Ice Hockey, which has 59 teams has a 16 team playoff, which is fair with 5 autobids. FBS Football, with 120 teams, should have the same 16 team playoff with 11 autobids? It's just not logical.
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You win your conference you get in. How is that not fair? Each sport is different. FCS football has a 20 team playoff with 10 autobids and 10 at-large bids with about 140 teams. Is that fair?

Limiting the number of Autobids means that regular season still matters, which is one of the most common complaints about moving to a playoff system.
 
Re: 2012 NCAA FBS National Championship Tournament

MavHockey14 said:
So Ice Hockey, which has 59 teams has a 16 team playoff, which is fair with 5 autobids. FBS Football, with 120 teams, should have the same 16 team playoff with 11 autobids? It's just not logical.
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Hockey's numbers say it should go back to a 12 team tournament, frankly. It was already a bit of a stretch to expand to 16 when they did so, and we've lost a few teams since then (adding only Penn State).

The NCAA generally likes its tournament numbers to be around 20% of participating schools, though as with the case of hockey they'll stretch it to 25% on occasion and go as low as about 15% on the other end.
 
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