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2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....
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Didn't do him much good in the primaries vs Santorum.
Didn't do him much good in the primaries vs Santorum.
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Also home to James Dobson and Focus on the Family. They went big-time for the Frothy Mix.
You know what would be hilarious? The fundies end up voting for Obama because they don't want to be stuck running with Romney again in 2016.
Also home to James Dobson and Focus on the Family. They went big-time for the Frothy Mix.
You know what would be hilarious? The fundies end up voting for Obama because they don't want to be stuck running with Romney again in 2016.
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I wonder if she keeps meat "curing" under her saddle. Oh, wait, that was the Mongols. Do they have high cheek bones?
I wonder if she keeps meat "curing" under her saddle. Oh, wait, that was the Mongols. Do they have high cheek bones?
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"double secret homophobia" win.
"double secret homophobia" win.
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Unless they decide to stop all subsidies for all businesses and other special interest groups, they have no reason to brag about stopping a giveaway to the Vikings. It's really no different than a giveaway to any other corporation that is located here and provides jobs.
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"Elizabeth Fauxcahontas Crockagawea Warren" For Mark Steyn this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/great-352668-warren-elizabeth.html
"Elizabeth Fauxcahontas Crockagawea Warren" For Mark Steyn this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/great-352668-warren-elizabeth.html
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Except the pay scale for the NFL is not quite the same as the local tool and die company.
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No, but how many people work at the stadium making less than the workers at the local tool and die? How many people in businesses that count on the Vikings for revenue? I don't give a crap if the Vikings move or not, but these are issues that the politicians do have to deal with.
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I'm not comfortable with the idea of tax payers providing a place for private businesses to operate. Sadly, that's the way the game is played. I was in Houston when Bud Adams (owner of the Oilers) essentially black mailed the city into paying for extensive rennovations to the Astrodome. He threatened to move the team out of town, which he ultimately did.
From the NFL's point of view, they have the number two media market without a team. They thought there were going to award an expansion franchise to LA a few years ago. But Bob McNair of Houston showed up with a box car full of money to pay for the franchise and the world's first retractable roof, natural grass stadium. LA lost out again. And the Houston Texans were born.
The benefit to a city extends beyond the dollars and cents. People can roll their eyes at concepts like "civic pride" if they wish, but that stuff means something. And I think it's particularly pointed for cities, like Houston and Baltimore, that had teams and lost 'em. At the end of the day, the TC are going to have to come up with an answer to the question: do we care if the Vikings leave and what are we prepared to do about it?
I'm not comfortable with the idea of tax payers providing a place for private businesses to operate. Sadly, that's the way the game is played. I was in Houston when Bud Adams (owner of the Oilers) essentially black mailed the city into paying for extensive rennovations to the Astrodome. He threatened to move the team out of town, which he ultimately did.
From the NFL's point of view, they have the number two media market without a team. They thought there were going to award an expansion franchise to LA a few years ago. But Bob McNair of Houston showed up with a box car full of money to pay for the franchise and the world's first retractable roof, natural grass stadium. LA lost out again. And the Houston Texans were born.
The benefit to a city extends beyond the dollars and cents. People can roll their eyes at concepts like "civic pride" if they wish, but that stuff means something. And I think it's particularly pointed for cities, like Houston and Baltimore, that had teams and lost 'em. At the end of the day, the TC are going to have to come up with an answer to the question: do we care if the Vikings leave and what are we prepared to do about it?
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NFL is 10 home games per year, plus one or two potential playoff games. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the Twins or even the T-Wolves/WNBA arena.
NFL is 10 home games per year, plus one or two potential playoff games. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the Twins or even the T-Wolves/WNBA arena.
unofan
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Also, I admit I got a kick out of this rant from Stephen King. Doubt it changes anyone mind, but ****ed if isn't more entertaining than your typical political spiel.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html
Also, I admit I got a kick out of this rant from Stephen King. Doubt it changes anyone mind, but ****ed if isn't more entertaining than your typical political spiel.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html
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Turns out Fauxcahontes is not the first. I had forgotten about this. Remember Iron Eyes Cody? He set liberal hearts a twitter in the 70's with a hugely popular psa that showed an "Indian," sad at the depredations against the environment, with a tear rolling down his face. "Iron Eyes," it turns out, was Italian (Espera Oscar de Corti) and the tear was glycerine. So with her unproven smidgen of Indian blood, Crockajawea may actually be far more an Indian than he was. But boy, he was the left's favorite "Indian" for several years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j7OHG7tHrNM
Like Fauxcahontes, de Corti used his claimed Indian heritage to help his career. In his case, decades in Hollywood playing Indians in films and on TV.
It occurs to me that some of the folks who heaped ecomiums on this two bit phoney back in the day, now claim to be deeply offended by the UND logo and Chief Illiniwek because of their lack of "authenticity," among other things.
Turns out Fauxcahontes is not the first. I had forgotten about this. Remember Iron Eyes Cody? He set liberal hearts a twitter in the 70's with a hugely popular psa that showed an "Indian," sad at the depredations against the environment, with a tear rolling down his face. "Iron Eyes," it turns out, was Italian (Espera Oscar de Corti) and the tear was glycerine. So with her unproven smidgen of Indian blood, Crockajawea may actually be far more an Indian than he was. But boy, he was the left's favorite "Indian" for several years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j7OHG7tHrNM
Like Fauxcahontes, de Corti used his claimed Indian heritage to help his career. In his case, decades in Hollywood playing Indians in films and on TV.
It occurs to me that some of the folks who heaped ecomiums on this two bit phoney back in the day, now claim to be deeply offended by the UND logo and Chief Illiniwek because of their lack of "authenticity," among other things.
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Most here have appreciation for managing government revenue/expenses which some call 'fiscal conservatism'...myself definitely included. The question is how to make it happen.
My belief is that social conservatism is, shall we say, less popular here.
Brewer's Arizona is probably the most socially conservative political team in the country. In addition to reviewing immigration status' and limiting universities rights to determine ciriculum for its students, they are now limiting contraception access to employees. Hold no illusions, these are not wildly popular moves. Brewer's popularity among moderates is weak as only about a third of independents approve her peformance. We'll see if that causes Romney to divert some resources there that he would rather not have to.
Most here have appreciation for managing government revenue/expenses which some call 'fiscal conservatism'...myself definitely included. The question is how to make it happen.
My belief is that social conservatism is, shall we say, less popular here.
Brewer's Arizona is probably the most socially conservative political team in the country. In addition to reviewing immigration status' and limiting universities rights to determine ciriculum for its students, they are now limiting contraception access to employees. Hold no illusions, these are not wildly popular moves. Brewer's popularity among moderates is weak as only about a third of independents approve her peformance. We'll see if that causes Romney to divert some resources there that he would rather not have to.
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Social conservatism is why I lie about being an independent whenever I'm in polite company.
Social conservatism is why I lie about being an independent whenever I'm in polite company.
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You'd be concerned about "reviewing immigration status" too if you were up to your lips in illegals and the federal government seemed not to give a sh*t. Coyotes, drug smugglers, murderers, rapists, kidnappers, "safe houses" and all the rest. We're not talking about house keepers and yard boys here.
It continues to amaze that self-defined liberal political analysts (including most of the ones who post here) are incapable or unwilling to differentiate as between "social" conservatives and "fiscal" conservatives. In their collective "nuanced" approach to these matters, they throw us all into the same hat. It may be good stroke material, but it's not accurate. But then, when was accuracy ever a priority?
You'd be concerned about "reviewing immigration status" too if you were up to your lips in illegals and the federal government seemed not to give a sh*t. Coyotes, drug smugglers, murderers, rapists, kidnappers, "safe houses" and all the rest. We're not talking about house keepers and yard boys here.
It continues to amaze that self-defined liberal political analysts (including most of the ones who post here) are incapable or unwilling to differentiate as between "social" conservatives and "fiscal" conservatives. In their collective "nuanced" approach to these matters, they throw us all into the same hat. It may be good stroke material, but it's not accurate. But then, when was accuracy ever a priority?
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This is annoying, but the blame lies with the GOP, not with liberal analysts.
In today's GOP, it seems that social conservatism is non-negotiable. You can be a social conservative who isn't fiscally conservative. You can be a social conservative who is also a fiscal conservative. If you try to be a fiscal conservative without also being a social conservative, you are RINO scum. Worse than Bernie Sanders who, at least, is honest.
Exacerbating the problem is the fact that the GOP has not shown any real inclination of being fiscally conservative. Rather, it has pursued symbolic fiscal conservatism, putting only selectively-chosen programs in the cross-hairs. In other words, fiscal conservatism is used and abused, simply to provide political cover for pursuing social conservatism.
Really, the entire GOP can go up in flames, as far as I'm concerned. It's a shame that Santorum didn't win the nomination. Only by offering social conservatives a clear win, internally, followed by shattering defeat in a general election, will the party get its priorities straight.
IMO, of course.
ETA: now watch Romney win the primary, lose the general, and set this back by years.
This is annoying, but the blame lies with the GOP, not with liberal analysts.
In today's GOP, it seems that social conservatism is non-negotiable. You can be a social conservative who isn't fiscally conservative. You can be a social conservative who is also a fiscal conservative. If you try to be a fiscal conservative without also being a social conservative, you are RINO scum. Worse than Bernie Sanders who, at least, is honest.
Exacerbating the problem is the fact that the GOP has not shown any real inclination of being fiscally conservative. Rather, it has pursued symbolic fiscal conservatism, putting only selectively-chosen programs in the cross-hairs. In other words, fiscal conservatism is used and abused, simply to provide political cover for pursuing social conservatism.
Really, the entire GOP can go up in flames, as far as I'm concerned. It's a shame that Santorum didn't win the nomination. Only by offering social conservatives a clear win, internally, followed by shattering defeat in a general election, will the party get its priorities straight.
IMO, of course.
ETA: now watch Romney win the primary, lose the general, and set this back by years.
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Understood. Santorum has always struck me as a bit dim. It was Reagan who encouraged the "socials" to get politically active. In discussing Jerry Falwell (who really burst onto the scene in '80), somebody said Falwell's like the rooster who crows when the sun comes up. Ultimately he begins to believe the sun comes up because of his crowing.
I'm a firm believer in the "Buckley Rule," nominate the most convservative candidate who can win. Thus, if Scott Brown is the best we can do in MA, then nominate Scott Brown. I'm also a firm believer that half a loaf is better than none. This idea of symbolic candidacies, certain to end in defeat, interests me not one bit. Although I don't hide under the bed at the prospect of the Tea Party, they did put up some dreadful candidates that cost the GOP a shot at control of the Senate.
And there's no question all politicians tend to "go native" when they get to Washington. Calling to mind the expression, "a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking about serious money." But your analysis strikes me as a bit facile, relying as it does on the notion that "social" conservatives are calling all the shots all the time. IMO they've got too much influence, but no more than the zanys on the other side. And conservatives, either "fiscal" or "social" at least talk about spending cuts (actually cuts in the rate of growth) whereas apart from gutting defense, most libs would rather have their tongues cut out.
Now in terms of intolerance I'm sure it's not necessary for me to point out that the Democrat party is loaded with idological prigs, too. Remember Governor Casey of Pennsylvania? He had the bad manners to be pro-life and was denied a chance to speak to a Democrat convention because of it. This whole abortion/contraception motiff encouraged the Democrats to wheel out an aging debutante to cry huge tears that the government wasn't paying for her sex life (complete with grossly overstated costs to provide her the happiness she felt I should pay for). This was followed by the "war on women," and "Julia," who was created to remind women that they should be grateful to be in the warm embrace of Uncle Sam, from cradle to grave.
A couple of days ago Kepler referred to the Democrats in congress (collectively) as "moderate." Really? The Black Caucus, the Progressive Caucus? And the various members of both houses who roll over on their backs, waiting to have their bellies scratched when big labor calls? Anyway, the point is that neither side has a claim on moderation or bi-partisanship. More's the pity.
I've posted several times about LBJ calling his old friend Ev Dirksen of Illinois into the oval to see if there wasn't a way to round up some GOP votes for the Civil Rights act of '64. There seemed to be much more comity in those days. Far less now. I don't know why and I can't offer any prescription for improving the atmosphere
The effects of "shattering" defeats have a history of not being very long lasting. The '64 Goldwater defeat, just four years later, gave us. . .Nixon. And vigorous, hotly contested nominating seasons don't always mean disaster in November. It surely didn't hurt His Spikingtheballness, did it?
This is annoying, but the blame lies with the GOP, not with liberal analysts.
In today's GOP, it seems that social conservatism is non-negotiable. You can be a social conservative who isn't fiscally conservative. You can be a social conservative who is also a fiscal conservative. If you try to be a fiscal conservative without also being a social conservative, you are RINO scum. Worse than Bernie Sanders who, at least, is honest.
Exacerbating the problem is the fact that the GOP has not shown any real inclination of being fiscally conservative. Rather, it has pursued symbolic fiscal conservatism, putting only selectively-chosen programs in the cross-hairs. In other words, fiscal conservatism is used and abused, simply to provide political cover for pursuing social conservatism.
Really, the entire GOP can go up in flames, as far as I'm concerned. It's a shame that Santorum didn't win the nomination. Only by offering social conservatives a clear win, internally, followed by shattering defeat in a general election, will the party get its priorities straight.
IMO, of course.
Understood. Santorum has always struck me as a bit dim. It was Reagan who encouraged the "socials" to get politically active. In discussing Jerry Falwell (who really burst onto the scene in '80), somebody said Falwell's like the rooster who crows when the sun comes up. Ultimately he begins to believe the sun comes up because of his crowing.
I'm a firm believer in the "Buckley Rule," nominate the most convservative candidate who can win. Thus, if Scott Brown is the best we can do in MA, then nominate Scott Brown. I'm also a firm believer that half a loaf is better than none. This idea of symbolic candidacies, certain to end in defeat, interests me not one bit. Although I don't hide under the bed at the prospect of the Tea Party, they did put up some dreadful candidates that cost the GOP a shot at control of the Senate.
And there's no question all politicians tend to "go native" when they get to Washington. Calling to mind the expression, "a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking about serious money." But your analysis strikes me as a bit facile, relying as it does on the notion that "social" conservatives are calling all the shots all the time. IMO they've got too much influence, but no more than the zanys on the other side. And conservatives, either "fiscal" or "social" at least talk about spending cuts (actually cuts in the rate of growth) whereas apart from gutting defense, most libs would rather have their tongues cut out.
Now in terms of intolerance I'm sure it's not necessary for me to point out that the Democrat party is loaded with idological prigs, too. Remember Governor Casey of Pennsylvania? He had the bad manners to be pro-life and was denied a chance to speak to a Democrat convention because of it. This whole abortion/contraception motiff encouraged the Democrats to wheel out an aging debutante to cry huge tears that the government wasn't paying for her sex life (complete with grossly overstated costs to provide her the happiness she felt I should pay for). This was followed by the "war on women," and "Julia," who was created to remind women that they should be grateful to be in the warm embrace of Uncle Sam, from cradle to grave.
A couple of days ago Kepler referred to the Democrats in congress (collectively) as "moderate." Really? The Black Caucus, the Progressive Caucus? And the various members of both houses who roll over on their backs, waiting to have their bellies scratched when big labor calls? Anyway, the point is that neither side has a claim on moderation or bi-partisanship. More's the pity.
I've posted several times about LBJ calling his old friend Ev Dirksen of Illinois into the oval to see if there wasn't a way to round up some GOP votes for the Civil Rights act of '64. There seemed to be much more comity in those days. Far less now. I don't know why and I can't offer any prescription for improving the atmosphere
The effects of "shattering" defeats have a history of not being very long lasting. The '64 Goldwater defeat, just four years later, gave us. . .Nixon. And vigorous, hotly contested nominating seasons don't always mean disaster in November. It surely didn't hurt His Spikingtheballness, did it?
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There is one other possibility, which is that I really am RINO scum.
What can I say - American politics makes me cranky. Probably time to go back to the international politics threads...
There is one other possibility, which is that I really am RINO scum.
What can I say - American politics makes me cranky. Probably time to go back to the international politics threads...
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