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2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

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Romney trails Obama by 18 points among women in swing states. I am not a paid political consultant, but I'm going to go with that not being a good thing for Romney. ;)

And this is BEFORE Obama runs a single ad against him.

So, aside from the under 50 vote, the female vote, the Hispanic vote, the Catholic vote, the Jewish vote, the under 200K a year income vote, and the swing vote (not to be confused with the Swinger vote), things are looking up for Mittens!
 
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And this is BEFORE Obama runs a single ad against him.

So, aside from the under 50 vote, the female vote, the Hispanic vote, the Catholic vote, the Jewish vote, the under 200K a year income vote, and the swing vote (not to be confused with the Swinger vote), things are looking up for Mittens!

Hey, he's got the rich white guy and "Ann Coulter" vote locked up.
 
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So, aside from the under 50 vote, the female vote, the Hispanic vote, the Catholic vote, the Jewish vote, the under 200K a year income vote

He's going to lose the over 65 vote too, because of Ryan. You'll take their social security when you pry it from their cold, dead fingers.

And yet... the floor for any major party nominee in a 2 man race is still 45%.
 
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He's going to lose the over 65 vote too, because of Ryan. You'll take their social security when you pry it from their cold, dead fingers.

The baby boomers will insure the bankruptcy of the United States before they are through. Of that I have no doubt.
 
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The baby boomers will insure the bankruptcy of the United States before they are through. Of that I have no doubt.
The Boomers aren't the social security problem. That's the Greatests.
 
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The Boomers aren't the social security problem. That's the Greatests.

Are you sure? We don't run into solvency problems for a while yet on that, and anecdotally, the members of my family that fought in the 2nd world war have all been gone for at least 7 years. The (legally) youngest anywhere would be 85 now.
 
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Are you sure? We don't run into solvency problems for a while yet on that, and anecdotally, the members of my family that fought in the 2nd world war have all been gone for at least 7 years. The (legally) youngest anywhere would be 85 now.
Let me rephrase it.

The Boomers are the ones who will bankrupt us. Even if they weren't so selfish they would anyway just by sheer numbers. They are the economic problem.

But as far as the consequences for this election go, the Greatests are the ones who will send Romney back to Millionaire Acres in a body bag because of the Ryan plan social security scam. The Greatests are the political problem.

It's ironic because IIRC Ryan's scheme doesn't kick in for anyone over 55. This is just one more indicator the Ryan plan is political gamesmanship. If it were a sincere proposal for reform, and not an attempt to destroy SS, why not make it apply to every SS recipient immediately? Because they need the votes of the Olds (other than white fundies it's their only demographic left), and those people know it's a poison pill.
 
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And now we will crown Mr. GOP for 2012!!!!

5th runner up: Michelle Bachman (being an all inclusive party, the GOP allows women in the Mr. GOP field)
4th runner up: Herman Cain
3rd runner up: Ron Paul
2nd runner up: Newt Gingrich
1st runner up: Rick Santorum

That means that Mitt Romney is your 2012 Mr. GOP!!

And the silence is deafening!!!
 
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The Boomers aren't the social security problem. That's the Greatests.
They both are. The Greatests put in programs that are unsustainable. The Boomers will milk those programs until there's nothing left in this country. Plenty of blame to go around here guys. No need to squabble over it.
 
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They both are. The Greatests put in programs that are unsustainable. The Boomers will milk those programs until there's nothing left in this country. Plenty of blame to go around here guys. No need to squabble over it.

I find it funny that someone leaving college today is saddled with having to pay someone else's retirement and medical bills while at the same time they're saddled with huge loan debt from getting the education we told them to get.

The Boomers can all go to hell.
 
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I find it funny that someone leaving college today is saddled with having to pay someone else's retirement and medical bills while at the same time they're saddled with huge loan debt from getting the education we told them to get.

The Boomers can all go to hell.
But the government will pay for it all if they can't. That's how it works, at least until it breaks.
 
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Gotta give Sanitarium a lot of credit here. Scary what could have happened if he had his own sugar daddy like Newtie did, or if he had planned his campaign with the idea that he'd actually end up as the alternative to The Mittster, as I don't get the sense Santorum ever thought he'd get this far. His inability to gain access on the ballot in congressional districts and even whole states that would have leaned his way (Virginia) is the proof of that.

So he drops out, probably gets a sympathy win in his home state of PA, and sets himself up to be Next In Line after Mittens gets crushed in the general election. Next time around the party will be looking for a True Believer, and you don't get much more righty than Santorum. Huckleberry and Palin are now entertainers, Christie is an obese, obnoxious version of Romney who is 50/50 to lose re-election before then, and Pawlenty isn't going to be any less boring nor Perry any less of a buffoon. Really, his competition could either be a Paul Ryan bid or a Rubio one unless Jeb Bush gives it a go. That's not bad odds.

Bottom line is, the old boy did his job. Romney's unfavorable ratings are approaching GWB levels and he's cost his corporate overlords a pretty penny to dispatch a pack of dwarfs. Rick, I'll make sure Barry O gives you a job parking cars at his inauguration address. ;)
 
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An interesting (and probably accurate) observation from an unlikely source....
George W. Bush acknowledged the obstructive connotation that still attaches to his name, particularly when it comes to tax policy.
“I wish they weren’t called the Bush tax cuts,” he said. “If they’re called some other body’s tax cuts, they’re probably less likely to be raised."

“Allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire” sounds innocuous. It’d be a different story if Democrats said what they really want to do: “We want to raise taxes by $166 billion.” That’s what allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire amounts to — a massive tax increase on income-taxpaying Americans.
 
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It only impacts the ultra-rich and they would be paying the same tax rate they somehow managed to pay in the 90's. The economy really sucked back then.

Again, if anyone feels like the tax rates are unfair, I'll switch incomes with you and pay your tremendous tax burden and you can pay my measly taxes.
 
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Don't you realize that the only people who matter are the ultra rich? The rest of us should thank them every moment for allowing us to continue to exist. :rolleyes:
 
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It only impacts the ultra-rich and they would be paying the same tax rate they somehow managed to pay in the 90's.

Do you ever use facts to support your opinions? or are they merely these troublesome annoyances that you swat away like gnats?

The so-called "Bush" tax cuts affect everyone who pays income taxes. It was an across the board tax cut, NOT a tax cut only for "the rich", and far more of the cuts affected people with incomes below $250,000 per year.

From Wikipedia: in the 2001 Act
> for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000, the rate was reduced from 15% to 10% (or a 33% reduction)
> the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket
> the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006 (or an 11% reduction)
> the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006 (or a 10% reduction)
> the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006 (or an 8% reduction)
> the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006 (or a 10% reduction).

The 2003 Act accelerated the schedule of reductions from 2006 forward into 2003. Also, the reduced dividend and capital gains tax rate led to increases in income tax revenue collected from those sources. The dividend tax rate cut led to Microsoft declaring their first ever dividend, and it was a big one.

As you can see, it was pretty much an across the board cut of 10% for everyone, with the lowest on the ladder getting an even larger cut.


Yeah, we get it, some people really despise Bush, and the rest of us usually remain silent rather than deal with the annoyance of trying to talk reason to people who have an aversion to reasonableness.

What I find even more striking is the bizarre language....these rates have been in effect for nine years now. If you change them, you are not "letting the cuts expire" you are raising rates while trying to lie about it. There is no way that taxing the rich can possibly raise enough revenue; Obama knows it, the Dems know it, most thoughtful reasonable people know it. IRS data indicates you could tax "the rich" at 100% and still not have anywhere near enough revenue.

Envy is a terrible thing when it twists and distorts as it has. It's one thing to feel envy, it's a whole 'nother matter deliberately to stir up envy in others.
 
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But the government will pay for it all if they can't. That's how it works, at least until it breaks.

Are you talking about the plan where someone has to pay 10% of their income for 20 straight years to become eligible for said forgiveness?
 
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blah blah blah

These are the rates we had in the 90's. The economy was a tad bit stronger then than it is now. We were told these tax cuts would lead to more jobs. Where are they? Asia? Tax policy failed. Time to undo the damage the last decade has caused.

No one is saying we can tax our way to prosperity...that's a nice GOP talking point, but that's all it is. The idea is to get people working again, grow the economy and help get the deficit under control.

You can try to blame all this on envy if you want to resort to that garbage, but when it comes to tax policy and the budget, your side can stuff it.

Go back and read what I wrote in the budget thread last year. Read my letter to Senator Snowe then tell me I suffer from envy. :rolleyes:

For all the complaining about unfair tax rates, not a single person has taken me up on my offer to take their horrible tax burden off their hands (I've made it on a regular basis in many forums for several years). I wonder why that is...
 
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