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Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread
I had the same thought. USCHO will miss your posts FS23.
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2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread
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GopherBigGuy911
The one you hate to love
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That is all too unfortunate to hear this. Hopefully you change your mind at some point.
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Right on.
Well, I attended my first Mariucci game on Sat. night, mainly due to getting free tix through a business friend in the Cities. I have to say that I have never seen Kristo play so erratically in quite some time. He registered a -6 in +/- and was a defensive liability at times. It seemed that UMTC knew his every move(especially the toe drag) and just took him out of the game for the most part. We all know his offense will be there, but this past weekends performance defensively was not acceptable.
Right on.
Well, I attended my first Mariucci game on Sat. night, mainly due to getting free tix through a business friend in the Cities. I have to say that I have never seen Kristo play so erratically in quite some time. He registered a -6 in +/- and was a defensive liability at times. It seemed that UMTC knew his every move(especially the toe drag) and just took him out of the game for the most part. We all know his offense will be there, but this past weekends performance defensively was not acceptable.
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I enjoyed your insight to this board, FS23. This board has certainly changed from what I remember a decade ago...
I enjoyed your insight to this board, FS23. This board has certainly changed from what I remember a decade ago...
jimmie2dog
wait till next year
Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread
Living in Florida for a while now, the weekend games where the first time Ive seen NoDak play without the Sioux logo. I thought Ralph had his lawyers button it down so that if they changed the logo, the team could no longer play in his rink. Also I remember he put Sioux logos in stone all over the place. Including a huge one in the floor at the entrance. Has the college gotten around the contracts and removed the logos?
Living in Florida for a while now, the weekend games where the first time Ive seen NoDak play without the Sioux logo. I thought Ralph had his lawyers button it down so that if they changed the logo, the team could no longer play in his rink. Also I remember he put Sioux logos in stone all over the place. Including a huge one in the floor at the entrance. Has the college gotten around the contracts and removed the logos?
gopher wes
Dammit, Gorilla!!
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You'll be missed, FS23. You were one of the good ones!!
cF[Authentic]
southpaw
The NCAA has allowed The Ralph to keep the Sioux logos in the building, on the seats, etc until those pieces need to be replaced due to wear and tear. If a seat back breaks and needs to be fixed, a non Sioux head leather seat will be used as a replacement.
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Granted, I have an untrained eye. But it really seemed to me our defensemen were a bit tentative. There were lots of occasions when they had a chance to pinch, move up on a loose puck, or generally make a more aggressive play, and they chose to play back. By doing so they pretty much limited MN's odd man rush chances, but it also made it harder on the forwards defensively. When you can get a defenseman to step up and chip the puck back down low, it gives the forwards that much more of an opportunity to dig the puck out of the corners, as opposed to chasing the other team back down the ice.
Obviously, failing to get a win this weekend is disappointing, and will make it an uphill battle to win the league regular season championship. But that said, if you want to still look at this team optimistically, I think you can. After all, there shouldn't be any tougher games this year than these. We were playing the #1 team in the country. A team that's healthy, on a roll, playing in their own building (on the big ice, I should add), in a series that was built up incessantly because of the rivalry. That's about as tough as you're going to get, and for the most part we played them square for 5+ periods, taking into account the overtime.
I think that UND can only get better. Hak will find some line combinations. Between the addition of Mitch M. and Parks, Grimaldi's return and Rodwell's injury, there has been some shuffling going on. But Hak has proven time and again that sooner or later he gets the lines set up in an effective fashion and the team starts rolling.
The schedule has some tough sledding in it these next couple of months. But I only think that will help. I feel pretty optimistic about the team, frankly.
I didn't think his defense was that bad. I really thought he played a pretty solid game Saturday, offensively and defensively.
Granted, I have an untrained eye. But it really seemed to me our defensemen were a bit tentative. There were lots of occasions when they had a chance to pinch, move up on a loose puck, or generally make a more aggressive play, and they chose to play back. By doing so they pretty much limited MN's odd man rush chances, but it also made it harder on the forwards defensively. When you can get a defenseman to step up and chip the puck back down low, it gives the forwards that much more of an opportunity to dig the puck out of the corners, as opposed to chasing the other team back down the ice.
Obviously, failing to get a win this weekend is disappointing, and will make it an uphill battle to win the league regular season championship. But that said, if you want to still look at this team optimistically, I think you can. After all, there shouldn't be any tougher games this year than these. We were playing the #1 team in the country. A team that's healthy, on a roll, playing in their own building (on the big ice, I should add), in a series that was built up incessantly because of the rivalry. That's about as tough as you're going to get, and for the most part we played them square for 5+ periods, taking into account the overtime.
I think that UND can only get better. Hak will find some line combinations. Between the addition of Mitch M. and Parks, Grimaldi's return and Rodwell's injury, there has been some shuffling going on. But Hak has proven time and again that sooner or later he gets the lines set up in an effective fashion and the team starts rolling.
The schedule has some tough sledding in it these next couple of months. But I only think that will help. I feel pretty optimistic about the team, frankly.
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I thought the whole team was tenative. I was waiting for MacWilliam to lay out one of the Gophers with a huge hit and he didn't.
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Yes he is...You'll be missed, FS23. You were one of the good ones!!
MadTownSioux
Fighting Sioux Hockey Fan
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Roman August-a-something has a story up on the STrib web page, with tDon talking about why the Goofs aren't schedulng the Sioux anymore, but I can't read it because I'm not going to pay to see their stupid content. Does anybody know what he says? All I could see was that the Goofs can't schedule teams wiht Indian nicknames.
Roman August-a-something has a story up on the STrib web page, with tDon talking about why the Goofs aren't schedulng the Sioux anymore, but I can't read it because I'm not going to pay to see their stupid content. Does anybody know what he says? All I could see was that the Goofs can't schedule teams wiht Indian nicknames.
mnstate0fhockey
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Minnesota's board of regents won't allow the Gophers to play games against schools with Indian nicknames. Don Lucia and the athletic department at the University of Minnesota have ZERO input or control over that. NONE. By the time UND got the nickname issue resolved, Minnesota had already filled their non-conference schedule.
Some points about this.
1. To those who say Wisconsin managed to leave room open, why couldn't Minnesota?
Unlike Wisconsin, Minnesota has four in-state rivalries to maintain. Ten more games to work with. So UW could schedule some other attractive non-conference games and not be screwed if they waited for UND and it didn't work out.
Now, no one is saying the in-state rivalries are "better" than the one with UND, but they are more important. In-state hockey has always been important to the Minnesota program. From John Mariucci working to get UMD to the D1 level to Herb Brooks working to get SCSU to the D1 level, to Woog only recruiting in-state. Strong in-state hockey is important and should be the priority. The four other MN D1 programs are certainly better off playing the Gophers annually than not.
Some people outside (or inside) the state may think that's dumb, but is it any dumber than fighting to keep a nickname? No, it's as much a part of the Gopher program as the Sioux nickname is a part of UND's. They are things that define the program and mean a lot to the fans of those programs.
2. Ok, so that leaves two open non-conference series a year. Why didn't the Gophers wait for UND before scheduling BC/Northeastern and Notre Dame?
College hockey scheduling doesn't happen months before, but years before the games are played. Minnesota didn't know how long it would take UND to resolve the nickname issue, or if they ever would (it's still being challenged), and it couldn't afford to wait if it wanted to ensure that they got high-end opponents on it's non-conference schedule. If the Gophers had told BC and Notre Dame, "we can't make an agreement with you right now because we're waiting on UND, but if they don't get the nickname thing figured out you are our second choices" they would have told the Gophers to go pound sand. The Gophers couldn't wait any longer.
Fact is, UND knew the nickname would be an issue in scheduling the Gophers for YEARS, but didn't get the issue resolved. This wasn't a surprise. If people want to blame anyone they should blame the people who fought so hard to keep a nickname that inevitably had to go.
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Dirty
#BanBiddy
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This nickname thing is just a smoke screen, currently Lucia would rather play his son's team and BC/NU then UND. That's fine, but just say that instead of trying to blame the nickname as that is simply an excuse of convenience. Everyone knew that UND was dropping the name and Minnesota could have scheduled UND if they had wanted to. They didn't though.
This nickname thing is just a smoke screen, currently Lucia would rather play his son's team and BC/NU then UND. That's fine, but just say that instead of trying to blame the nickname as that is simply an excuse of convenience. Everyone knew that UND was dropping the name and Minnesota could have scheduled UND if they had wanted to. They didn't though.
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mnstate0fhockey
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No it's not. It's a policy set by Minnesota's Board of Regents.
<a href="http://www1.umn.edu/usenate/athletics/anti-discrimination.pdf">Read Policy</a>
That's a conspiracy theory worthy of this though...
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Dirty
#BanBiddy
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This policy was in place before the NCAA policy on Native American nicknames and Minnesota played Florida State in basketball. To me this policy means that FSU was not on the OK list for Minnesota to play. But they did play. If Minnesota truly was against Native American nicknames, they could have opted out of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. Precedent for this was set by Indiana when they opted out because Bob Knight was a grumpy old man. Minnesota didn't opt out though because this is a policy that is applied or ignored depending on what is convenient.
A few more examples:
The baseball team invited FSU to participate in their Dairy Queen Classic Tournament in 2004.
The softball team went to the Florida State Classic tournament in 2004.
The swimming team is hosting UND this Friday!!!!
So yes the nickname is just an excuse.
This policy was in place before the NCAA policy on Native American nicknames and Minnesota played Florida State in basketball. To me this policy means that FSU was not on the OK list for Minnesota to play. But they did play. If Minnesota truly was against Native American nicknames, they could have opted out of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. Precedent for this was set by Indiana when they opted out because Bob Knight was a grumpy old man. Minnesota didn't opt out though because this is a policy that is applied or ignored depending on what is convenient.
A few more examples:
The baseball team invited FSU to participate in their Dairy Queen Classic Tournament in 2004.
The softball team went to the Florida State Classic tournament in 2004.
The swimming team is hosting UND this Friday!!!!
So yes the nickname is just an excuse.
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mnstate0fhockey
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Blame Minnesota's board of regents if you'd like, but Don Lucia had no control over it. Or, you can just blame the idiots who endlessly fought to keep a nickname that inevitably had to go. But that would force you to look inward instead of deflecting blame outward.
Either way, it's done, so I'd suggest moving on.
Dirty
#BanBiddy
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Fine it's the regents fault, I don't really care. I'm just saying that stating UND's nickname is the reason this series won't continue is wrong because the policy has been ignored before and could be in this instance if Minnesota wanted to. I am pretty much over Minnesota and North Dakota not playing for four years, it's the fact that Lucia/Board of Regents/whomever is hiding behind the nickname as the reason for the series ending that bugs me. Lucia's logic of wanting to play his son's team and a couple east coast teams instead of UND is perfectly sound. Why drag the nickname into it?
The morons who could not, and still do not, accept reality and the inevitably of UND dropping the nickname, are a separate issue.
Fine it's the regents fault, I don't really care. I'm just saying that stating UND's nickname is the reason this series won't continue is wrong because the policy has been ignored before and could be in this instance if Minnesota wanted to. I am pretty much over Minnesota and North Dakota not playing for four years, it's the fact that Lucia/Board of Regents/whomever is hiding behind the nickname as the reason for the series ending that bugs me. Lucia's logic of wanting to play his son's team and a couple east coast teams instead of UND is perfectly sound. Why drag the nickname into it?
The morons who could not, and still do not, accept reality and the inevitably of UND dropping the nickname, are a separate issue.
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gopheritall
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I agree that Lucia could have scheduled North Dakota BUT in doing so he would have been scheduling intentionally against the rule and would have been asked to forfeit the games if the Sioux name was still in place on game day. Hakstol could have offered to forfeit the games AND pay Minnesota any lost revenue if the mascot controversy was still in place. Where was THAT offer?
I think Hakstol perpetuated the naming controversy because he was afraid of Minnesota. He now talks big knowing that the opportunity to schedule is past. If he truly wants to continue the rivalry then he would ask to play at the Mariucci Classic at the next available opportunity. We always need a cupcake there. He doesn't because he is afraid. He is shaking with fear, not the cold.
I get that North Dakota and its fans are obsessed with Minnesota. It is kind of cute but also a little stalkerish. Just go sit in the corner for 3 years and we will see what we can do about letting you play again.
EDIT: We ALL knew that North Dakota would drop the Sioux name. We had to have them DO it though. The years of pouting did them no favors in scheduling or reputation.
The policy approval by the steering committee is dated Oct 2003. Big boy schools schedule events more than a few months out. It is more likely than not that the 2004 events were already scheduled since they were a few months later. The North Dakota name is resolved and there is nothing to prevent the swim event from being held.
I agree that Lucia could have scheduled North Dakota BUT in doing so he would have been scheduling intentionally against the rule and would have been asked to forfeit the games if the Sioux name was still in place on game day. Hakstol could have offered to forfeit the games AND pay Minnesota any lost revenue if the mascot controversy was still in place. Where was THAT offer?
I think Hakstol perpetuated the naming controversy because he was afraid of Minnesota. He now talks big knowing that the opportunity to schedule is past. If he truly wants to continue the rivalry then he would ask to play at the Mariucci Classic at the next available opportunity. We always need a cupcake there. He doesn't because he is afraid. He is shaking with fear, not the cold.
I get that North Dakota and its fans are obsessed with Minnesota. It is kind of cute but also a little stalkerish. Just go sit in the corner for 3 years and we will see what we can do about letting you play again.
EDIT: We ALL knew that North Dakota would drop the Sioux name. We had to have them DO it though. The years of pouting did them no favors in scheduling or reputation.
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mnstate0fhockey
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What has happened in the past isn't always indicative of present policy. Perhaps the policy is being enforced more stringently now, or there were unique circumstances in the other situations. I don't know.
What I do know is that the school did not give Lucia permission to schedule with UND as long as the nickname was in place, and that UND was well aware of this for years. Yet, the issue went unresolved for years. This wasn't just brought up recently.
My point is, to say it's some sort of pick and choose situation or some scheme by Lucia to avoid UND or to schedule games against his son without adequate evidence to support that is a little unfounded.
All that said, I hope they find a way to schedule each other more regularly once Notre Dame falls off the schedule.
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