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2011 MLB Hall of Fame Class: I have never used steroids. Period.

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Kepler said:
You may be underrating the "hated by every sportswriter this side of Minsk" effect.
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Wasn't he within something like 2 votes last year? If so, he's most likely going to get in.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Wasn't he within something like 2 votes last year? If so, he's most likely going to get in.
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I don't remember the exact numbers but he was over 70% of the vote, I think maybe somewhere between 73% and 74%.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Wasn't he within something like 2 votes last year? If so, he's most likely going to get in.
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He was 8 votes short and apparently even had the support of John Hirschbeck last year.

On a purely patriotic level, I'd like to see Larry Walker join Fergie Jenkins as the only Canadian players in the HoF. I'm glad to see Canadian Pat Gillick going in - well deserved. ;)
 
Re: 2011 MLB Hall of Fame Class: I have never used steroids. Period.

Results will be announced tomorrow afternoon at 2. ESPN released votes submitted by the 18 Hall voters in their employ. If you want to judge by their results, Alomar will get in handily (he got 17 out the 18, 94.4%), Blyleven probably also will (14/18, 77.8%); Larkin and Morris will be the next closest, but neither particularly close (10/18, 55.6%).

Also, who is Barry Stanton, and how do your voting privileges not get revoked for turning in a ballot of Jack Morris, Edgar Martinez, Tino Martinez, Don Mattingly, and BJ Surhoff?

And, how does Larry Walker get so little love? Voters just don't seem to be able to apply any level of nuance to things like park effects (either they don't matter at all, like Jim Rice, or they entirely invalidate a candidacy, like Walker) or, really, the whole steroid era.
 
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jmh said:
Also, who is Barry Stanton, and how do your voting privileges not get revoked for turning in a ballot of Jack Morris, Edgar Martinez, Tino Martinez, Don Mattingly, and BJ Surhoff?
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http://rumorsandrants.com/2011/01/todays-a-hole-of-the-day.html
Who the hell is Barry Stanton to decide who does or does not get into the Hall of Fame?

Courtesy of a Google search:

In 2002, Stanton resigned from the Westchester Journal News after a Nov. 2 story of a mentally challenged high school football player had “numerous sentences and phrases…were identical or similar to those that first appeared” in an October 31 column by Joe Posnanski of the K.C. Star.”

He should of copied Joe’s Hall of Fame ballot. At least that man knows baseball.
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Let us hope that the BBWA don't "F it up"

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Re: 2011 MLB Hall of Fame Class: I have never used steroids. Period.

The BBWAA website was hacked earlier in the day, but it looks fine now. I guess they got some nerds to come out of their mothers' basements and fix it.
 
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jmh said:
The BBWAA website was hacked earlier in the day, but it looks fine now. I guess they got some nerds to come out of their mothers' basements and fix it.
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I have been wondering where Dirty is :p
 
Re: 2011 MLB Hall of Fame Class: I have never used steroids. Period.

Bert and Alomar get in...thats my guess, although i would vote for others
 
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Bert and Alomar got in.
 
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Circle Bert!
 
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I wonder if Bert will rip the BBWAA in his acceptance speech.
 
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here's the breakdown. I think the voters have spoken on the issue of steroids - Palmeiro got 11%. Although McGwire got almost 20%, so maybe it's a temporary punishment.

x-Roberto Alomar 523 (90.0)
x-Bert Blyleven 463 (79.7%)
Barry Larkin 361 (62.1%)
Jack Morris 311 (53.5%)
Lee Smith 263 (45.3%)
Jeff Bagwell 242 (41.7%)
Tim Raines 218 (37.5%)
Edgar Martinez 191 (32.9%)
Alan Trammell 141 (24.3%)
Larry Walker 118 (20.3%)
Mark McGwire 115 (19.8)
Fred McGriff 104 (17.9%)
Dave Parker 89 (15.3%)
Don Mattingly 79 (13.6%)
Dale Murphy 73 (12.6%)
Rafael Palmeiro 64 (11.0%)
Juan Gonzalez 30 (5.2%)
Harold Baines 28 (4.8%)
John Franco 27 (4.6%)
Kevin Brown 12 (2.1%)
Tino Martinez 6 (1.0%)
Marquis Grissom 4 (0.7%)
Al Leiter 4 (0.7%)
John Olerud 4 (0.7%)
B.J. Surhoff 2 (0.3%)
Bret Boone 1 (0.2%)
Benito Santiago 1 (0.2%)
Carlos Baerga 0
Lenny Harris 0
Bobby Higginson 0
Charles Johnson 0
Raul Mondesi 0
Kirk Rueter 0
 
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Wow that means some big names are off the ballot.

Harold Baines 28 (4.8%)
John Franco 27 (4.6%)
Kevin Brown 12 (2.1%)
Tino Martinez 6 (1.0%)
 
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jen said:
here's the breakdown. I think the voters have spoken on the issue of steroids - Palmeiro got 11%. Although McGwire got almost 20%, so maybe it's a temporary punishment.
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That's a lower percentage than McGwire got last year though.

I think this is kinda stupid, are they just going to ignore everyone who had good years between 1998 and 2007?
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I wonder if Bert will rip the BBWAA in his acceptance speech.
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Whilst cussing and farting, of course.

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Re: 2011 MLB Hall of Fame Class: I have never used steroids. Period.

Is it lower? For some reason I thought it was higher (but didn't check). I don't know that I'd vote McGwire in even if he didn't do steroids. Palmeiro had longevity and hits and power. As good as Palmeiro's numbers are, does anyone really immediately think "first ballot guy, one of the greatest players ever" when they hear this name? I don't. Does that factor in to how voters react to him?

I think they'll do this to anyone that tested positive or was listed in the Mitchell Report, but where does it stop? Do you not vote Clemens and Bonds in? They were very likely HOF material anyway, but who knows? I would wager they both would have retired earlier than they did had they not (supposedly) taken PEDs, but how can you separate their accomplishments from whatever benefits they got from steroids? Or do you just say, well, they ruined it for themselves (but only since they got caught?) and therefore don't deserve to be in? That is a lot of question marks for one paragraph.

I'm sure exceptions will be made for some, and not others. It isn't necessarily fair. I think we had this discussion last year, and somebody suggested putting positive steroid test results on plaques - I kind of like that idea. ;)

edit: err.. this is replying to jmh and I forgot to hit quote :p
 
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Our long national nightmare of Twins fans' whining is over. ;)
 
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