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2011 Minnesota Offseason Thread

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Well that dampened my enthusiasm quite a bit. This is an awfully young team, with the Upper Class lacking the type of proven leaders who you can count on for a decent number of points. (At least a few more of the under-class have had more post-HS experience than in recent years.) I realize there is potential there, but players realizing their potential hasn't been a regular occurrence the last few years.

I am definitely on the band-wagon of those who think Ness would have made a big difference on the team. He was no Leopold, but he was better and contributed more than a lot gave him credit for.

I hope the Sophomore slump misses most of these guys, because the team will be depending on that class a lot.

BTW - Isn't amazing how many people were clamoring for Lucia's head and claiming he was the problem and only getting rid of him would be acceptable, yet with the replacement of Guentzel for Hill, that seems to have vanished and most of the maroon chatter is pretty optimistic?

Can't wait for the season to start. I could be suicidal with another season without an NCAA berth!
 
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BTW - Isn't amazing how many people were clamoring for Lucia's head and claiming he was the problem and only getting rid of him would be acceptable, yet with the replacement of Guentzel for Hill, that seems to have vanished and most of the maroon chatter is pretty optimistic?
This is what I have been thinking since the Guentzel announcement. Suddenly there is a new optimism around the team instead of the pessimism that has surrounded Lucia for the past few seasons. I think there is too much optimism for what we, as fans, should actually expect to see this season. Even if Guentzel does come in and turn this team around, it isn't going to be for a couple seasons. People are talking like having Guentzel back on the staff is like a guaranteed trip to the Frozen Four.:rolleyes:
 
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p.s. The Gophers will not miss Ness this year.

We'll see I guess.

I actually thought Ness was coming on and getting better towards the end of the year. I would rather have a SR back there on D than a freshman who hasn't played in the WCHA before.
 
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I'm not expecting them to make the Frozen Four, but with Guentzel back I do expect them to play a little more consistently, especially defensively. I don't think talent has been our biggest problem the past four years. Consistent play has. We're going to be a young team this year, so expectations should be tempered a bit, but I like the incoming freshman class quite a bit. We're going to need some big years from some of our Sophomore forwards, and I think some of them have the talent to have big years. I am hoping to see a Final Five appearance and an NCAA bid. That would be a step in the right direction and something to build off of.
 
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We'll see I guess.

I actually thought Ness was coming on and getting better towards the end of the year. I would rather have a SR back there on D than a freshman who hasn't played in the WCHA before.
I'd rather have a guy that has a chance at getting better rather than a guy who stayed the same or got worse throughout his career.

EDIT: and also got praised for it. I've never seen such *** kissing like some people did with Ness for a guy that was such an underachiever.
 
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This is what I have been thinking since the Guentzel announcement. Suddenly there is a new optimism around the team instead of the pessimism that has surrounded Lucia for the past few seasons. I think there is too much optimism for what we, as fans, should actually expect to see this season. Even if Guentzel does come in and turn this team around, it isn't going to be for a couple seasons. People are talking like having Guentzel back on the staff is like a guaranteed trip to the Frozen Four.:rolleyes:

Wow, when was the last time a person said an assistant coach will turn the team around? I don't know if I am comfortable saying that but that just me.
 
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I'm not expecting them to make the Frozen Four, but with Guentzel back I do expect them to play a little more consistently, especially defensively. I don't think talent has been our biggest problem the past four years. Consistent play has. We're going to be a young team this year, so expectations should be tempered a bit, but I like the incoming freshman class quite a bit. We're going to need some big years from some of our Sophomore forwards, and I think some of them have the talent to have big years. I am hoping to see a Final Five appearance and an NCAA bid. That would be a step in the right direction and something to build off of.

Yeah I agree that talent wasn't an issue, although losing key players every year (injuries, leaving school) does tend to take it's toll on a team after awhile. Us being a young team seems to be the norm the last few years, we see more 1 and 2 year only type players and rarely get a group to stick around for 3 or even all 4 years. I know that happens in College Hockey now and it's too bad really. A good group of Seniors and Juniors can go a long way at the end of the year.
 
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Screw you guys. The Gopher hockey team is going to win the World Series this year. Just you watch.
 
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Is everyone looking forward to Little Six hockey? Those matchups with Penn State and Ohio State should be totally exciting.

BTW: Who is Aaron Ness?
 
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I'd rather have a guy that has a chance at getting better rather than a guy who stayed the same or got worse throughout his career.

EDIT: and also got praised for it. I've never seen such *** kissing like some people did with Ness for a guy that was such an underachiever.

By January, Marshall has a good chance of being more effective than Ness would have been.
 
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By January, Marshall has a good chance of being more effective than Ness would have been.
I'll believe it when I see it. Jordon Leopold was a very good frosh, but I don't think he was as good as Ness would probably have been this year. I don't think Marshall will be the next Leopold. It is rare that a rookie D can be a major factor. Ness had more poise than most gave her credit for. He did improve every year. Last year was his best. He wasn't always consistent, but had some very good games last year, and I would have expected even more. I don't think he was near the expectation people placed on him, and for that, judged on a different scale. His size limited his ability to move bodies. But he was usually pretty good with positioning and smart with the puck. Underclassmen D will make more mistakes than Upperclassman most of the time. And experience is a bigger factor on D than anywhere else. And he had the potential to be a good PP QB. I will miss having him.
 
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I'll believe it when I see it. Jordon Leopold was a very good frosh, but I don't think he was as good as Ness would probably have been this year. I don't think Marshall will be the next Leopold. It is rare that a rookie D can be a major factor. Ness had more poise than most gave her credit for. He did improve every year. Last year was his best. He wasn't always consistent, but had some very good games last year, and I would have expected even more. I don't think he was near the expectation people placed on him, and for that, judged on a different scale. His size limited his ability to move bodies. But he was usually pretty good with positioning and smart with the puck. Underclassmen D will make more mistakes than Upperclassman most of the time. And experience is a bigger factor on D than anywhere else. And he had the potential to be a good PP QB. I will miss having him.

Nice to see a voice of reason. I've been summarily ripped all summer for thinking that Ness was a big loss for the team.
 
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Is everyone looking forward to Little Six hockey? Those matchups with Penn State and Ohio State should be totally exciting.

BTW: Who is Aaron Ness?

Come Big Ten time we are more likely to miss your exciting analaysis!
 
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I enjoyed ripping on Ness as much as anyone, but you guys will miss him. It won't kill you, but he was starting to develop. I think there are a lot of similarities between Ness for you guys and Lauridsen and us... except obviously size. Both were absolute liabilities their freshman year, then the Dane became our most improved player his sophomore year and our best blueliner last year. Ness started improving slowly but surely each year, and while he never became the offensive factor a lot of Gopher fans were hoping for, he certainly was better last year then when he came to the U, but being a train-wreck his freshman season helped make that comment pretty easy to accomplish.
 
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Are you saying Leopold was a rookie D who was a major factor?

No. Just the opposite. I am saying that as good as he eventually became, he had a lot of developing to do from his freshman year. He played smarter defensively than a lot of freshman D. And he made offensive moves and had some games where you just said to yourself, "this guy is going to be really good if he sticks around." But like all freshman, he had games that were very unremarkable too. My point was that mature defenseman are very valuable, and I wouldn't count on Marshall to be a dominant player his first year. It is a much more difficult position to adjust to a new level than forward.
 
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Nice to see a voice of reason. I've been summarily ripped all summer for thinking that Ness was a big loss for the team.

It drives me nuts how people jump on the bandwagon to rip a D as being the problem. But I don't think they are always fair in their analysis. If a D gets beat once or twice, even a person who has watched/played very little hockey can see it. But how smart they are positioning themselves, how well they carry the puck or make the best pass and make it accurately, or how good they are at coming out of a corner with a puck or breaking up a pass is much more subtle and seems to be missed a lot. And having forwards who aren't back-checking well (a chronic problem in many games the last few years) tends to make the D look bad. Ness didn't reach the standard people had set for him. But in many games last year, he was the best D and he had some games where he played very well.
 
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I'm seeing two extremes regarding Ness. imho unfair criticism but also a, "woe is me" feeling regarding his leaving. Ness wasn't going to make or break this season and they have far more things to worry about. Consistent play up and down the lineup, aggressive play, PP, defensive pressure away from the puck and mental fortitude won't be significantly impacted with or without Ness. This is a team that should improve to the point of joining the NCAAs but probably not considered a serious title contender and I am ok with that given the past 3 seasons. If that improvement is followed by another proper F class and lack of talent flight the program should be back where they belong.

Yes, I know the Gophers should never be in this spot to begin with but the fact is they are and turning it around isn't going to happen overnight. At least they're a hell of a lot closer to contending than pretty much every other sports program in this town.
 
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