2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

[Priceless]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

The final BCS rankings were:

1 LSU (Conference champion)
2 Alabama (not conference champion)
3 Oklahoma State (Conference champion)
4 Stanford (not conference champion)
5 Oregon (Conference champion)
6 Arkansas (not conference champion)
7 Boise State (not conference champion)
8 Kansas State (not conference champion)
9 South Carolina (not conference champion)
10 Wisconsin (Conference champion)

So the playoffs would have been

SEC Champion: LSU vs Big 10 Champion: Wisconsin
Big XII Champion: Oklahoma State vs PAC-12 Champion: Oregon

If you just take the top four teams you get two teams that didn't even win their division, much less their conference.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

An 8 team playoff makes so much more sense than a four team playoff. You can include BCS conference champions while having room for a non-BCS undefeated team to get in or a top notch team in a BCS conference that doesn't win their conference title. Given the number of BCS conferences, eight teams in the playoff just seems to fit a lot better.

Yes but a pesky non BCS conference school could pull a couple upsets and win...and no way Jim Delaney, the SEC or ESPN wants that. (even though it would make them more money than even they can dream of)

Basically, they made this set up to legitimize if there is an intra-conference title game like they had this year. This is the worst system of any of them including the BCS itself. At least, every so often smaller schools play their way into meaningful games and part of the discussion under the BCS. Now they are just also rans, not even fit for an NCAA playoff.

 

[Priceless]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Yes but a pesky non BCS conference school could pull a couple upsets and win...and no way Jim Delaney, the SEC or ESPN wants that. (even though it would make them more money than even they can dream of)

Basically, they made this set up to legitimize if there is an intra-conference title game like they had this year. This is the worst system of any of them including the BCS itself. At least, every so often smaller schools play their way into meaningful games and part of the discussion under the BCS. Now they are just also rans, not even fit for an NCAA playoff.

Correct. In the scenario I posted, had Boise State won the game vs TCU and been conference champion, they would have qualified for the tournament ahead of Wisconsin. I'm sure there will be some clause in there to prevent that from happening.

 

[UncleRay]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I love this quote from an AP article ( http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bcs-gets-boot-favor-4-080302820--ncaaf.html ):

For years, the decision-makers had balked at any type of playoff because they said it would diminish the importance of the regular season.

Inconsistent much, guys? You want the regular season to mean something, but apparently only in football. At the end of this past regular season in hockey UAH and two bottom-feeders in HE were eliminated from being the NC. Everybody else was still playing for it. Similar scenario in hoops. In my opinion, a conference shouldn't take more than half to its' tourney. Certainly no more than eight. But asking these guys to be consistent in thought, speech, and deed is admittedly unrealistic.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

If the regular season meant something, Alabama doesn't play LSU for the title last year. If that's not evidence enough that they're full of ****, I don't know what is.

 

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

If the regular season meant something, Alabama doesn't play LSU for the title last year. If that's not evidence enough that they're full of ****, I don't know what is.

Regular season only means something if you're not the SEC. They get to play by different rules.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Regular season only means something if you're not the SEC. They get to play by different rules.

True. And my fear is that any playoff system will be very accomodating to the SEC. Maybe the powers that be should just be up front about things and reserve 2 of 4 slots for the SEC.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

This doesnt even get into how difficult it is for teams not in the BCS Conferences to move into the Top 4...they may as well all drop down a division.

Teams haven't been dropping under the old system where they also didn't have a chance - in fact teams have been moving up. At least two more teams have a shot at a title and I imagine this will eventually be expanded. I personally wish they would have gone to at least 6 with 2 bye teams or 8, but this is a step in the right direction.

 

[bigmrg74]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Sure, but if a team is complaining about being #5 and outside the group of 4, that team will really only have itself to blame. I.e., they could have won a game they lost.

With a system that only took the top two, teams were being left out who had beaten every team put in front of them.

Yeah, but what happens when say the top 2 SEC teams each have a loss, say to each other via a regular season cross-division game and the SEC championship, and then you have the winners of the ACC, Big Ten, Big twelve, and PAC-12 all going undefeated, Who of those undefeated Conference champs are going to get bumped for that SEC team???

Actually, the more I think about it, they're probably better off seeding it as 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 - the more controversy, the better... It will be especially delightful to listen to people argue over who should get to call the coin toss and wear white uniforms in the 2 v 3 game - can't wait!

Dang right about it.

An 8 team playoff makes so much more sense than a four team playoff. You can include BCS conference champions while having room for a non-BCS undefeated team to get in or a top notch team in a BCS conference that doesn't win their conference title. Given the number of BCS conferences, eight teams in the playoff just seems to fit a lot better.

True, 8 would have been much better. But right now the BCS is crap and the Big Four play-in games is at least somewhat promising, and stands a good shot at being expanded to 8 in the future. The Odds are all for it to expand. There's no way in Hades there are going to be 10 years here when there is 4 clear cut top teams in all the land that just happen to come from four different corners of the country. Its doomed to have controversy as to which teams are going to be in the Big Four. Soon enough, they'll hear the call to expand to 8 teams, especially once they figure out a way to print money from the playoff system.

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I take it most of you worrying so much about 3 SEC teams making the playoff started watching football in the last 3-4 years or have been driven insane by ESPN's slobbering.

Your final 4 teams in the last ten years (2002-11) would have included
2 Big Ten Teams (2002, 2005, 2006)
2 Pac Ten Teams (2003, 2010)
2 SEC teams (2006, 2008, 2011)
2 Big XII teams (2008, 2009*)

*TCU @ #4 was not a Big XII member in 2009.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I take it most of you worrying so much about 3 SEC teams making the playoff started watching football in the last 3-4 years or have been driven insane by ESPN's slobbering.

Your final 4 teams in the last ten years (2002-11) would have included
2 Big Ten Teams (2002, 2005, 2006)
2 Pac Ten Teams (2003, 2010)
2 SEC teams (2006, 2008, 2011)
2 Big XII teams (2008, 2009*)

*TCU @ #4 was not a Big XII member in 2009.

Your facts are not welcome here.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

There's no way in Hades there are going to be 10 years here when there is 4 clear cut top teams in all the land that just happen to come from four different corners of the country. Its doomed to have controversy as to which teams are going to be in the Big Four. Soon enough, they'll hear the call to expand to 8 teams, especially once they figure out a way to print money from the playoff system.

Any controversy over the 4/5/6 in a 4 team field is just going to be replaced by controversy over 8/9/10 in an 8 team field.

Sports fans are a whiny bunch (myself included), especially whiny SEC/Boise State fans being dumbed down by an ESPN. See also, people who think Ohio State should be allowed to legally pay their players (beyond the free education, stipends, room and board and various other kickbacks the NCAA allows them to get already, of course).

 

[bigmrg74]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Any controversy over the 4/5/6 in a 4 team field is just going to be replaced by controversy over 8/9/10 in an 8 team field.

Sports fans are a whiny bunch (myself included), especially whiny SEC/Boise State fans being dumbed down by an ESPN. See also, people who think Ohio State should be allowed to legally pay their players (beyond the free education, stipends, room and board and various other kickbacks the NCAA allows them to get already, of course).

Oh, there's always going to be controversy here. Tis the Nature of the Beast really. You could expand the field out to 24 and you would have people argueing that they should have been high enought to get a bye week there, or out to 32, and you'll have the 33th team that has a win over say the 30th seed there bellyaching that they should have gotten to go into the playoffs versus that other program.

 

[joecct]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Coaches get fired in squeekball for not making a 68 team tournament. When one good guy coach gets run out of town for failure to get intothe Pigskin Four, look for an expansion

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

But the number of BCS conferences plays into an 8 team field a lot easier than a 4 team field, and still having a little breathing room for the best couple teams from a non-BCS conference or non-conference champions. Yes, there will always be controversy, but I think there would be less with 8 teams than 4 teams. That said, I read an article somewhere about how the university presidents view this, and they apparently barely got on board with four teams, with 8 teams being a nonstarter. And a number were quoted as saying concussions from a further game or two were a big concern. Yah, where were they when the 12th game was added for everybody or where are they for other divisions' much bigger post season tournaments? But, hey, it's nice they could come down from their ivory towers to at least grace us with a four team tournament.

 

[Priceless]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

But the number of BCS conferences plays into an 8 team field a lot easier than a 4 team field, and still having a little breathing room for the best couple teams from a non-BCS conference or non-conference champions. Yes, there will always be controversy, but I think there would be less with 8 teams than 4 teams. That said, I read an article somewhere about how the university presidents view this, and they apparently barely got on board with four teams, with 8 teams being a nonstarter. And a number were quoted as saying concussions from a further game or two were a big concern. Yah, where were they when the 12th game was added for everybody or where are they for other divisions' much bigger post season tournaments? But, hey, it's nice they could come down from their ivory towers to at least grace us with a four team tournament.

Once they form four 16-team superconferences it will all line up perfectly.

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Once they form four 16-team superconferences it will all line up perfectly.

Never happening.

 

[Biddco]

Once they form four 16-team superconferences it will all line up perfectly.

That Scenario that was supposedly enivitable seems unlikely.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Once they form four 16-team superconferences it will all line up perfectly.

Agreed. An 8 team playoff would line up relatively nicely with a scenario of four superconferences, as well as the current scenario.

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Here's the trick for 4 16 team superconferences.

Who goes to the PAC-12? The only interesting group would be the UT/OU/OSU/TT setup and I don't see why Texas would move at this point. But let's say they go. Who are the teams the Big Ten takes to get to 16 in this scenario? Kansas...Rutgers, Syracuse, Notre Dame? Ugly.

If the Big Ten wanted to go from 12-16, they probably want the ACC to implode: Maryland, UVA, UNC, Duke or something like that. The PAC-12 is boned in a scenario like that as the Big XII has strengthened itself with other ACC teams at that point.

I don't see either conference going past 12 for the next couple of decades, if ever.