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2010 Maine offseason: a lazy summer on the Stillwater

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walrus said:
yeah, well the kid got hammered on here and he didn't deserve it.
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I think it was just by one person. And judging from that post and many other posts (fantasy that BC defense would be ravaged by NHL GMs this summer) he wouldn't know the difference between a hockey puck and a Ding Dong.
 
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walrus said:
yeah, well the kid got hammered on here and he didn't deserve it.
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Totally uncalled for. Kid couldn't catch a break. He was definitely a hustle guy who did the dirty work. Best of luck to him. Get that education and maybe get a start in the coaching world. Sucks to lose veteran depth and who knows, maybe an impact guy.
 
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I feel sympathetic for any athlete who is put in a situation like this, and whether you believe it or not, that includes Soloman.

But could someone clarify what it was he didn't deserve? Or at very least, point out where I attacked the kid's character or heart? If I did, that would be one thing.

I think the closest I came to making it personal was saying there is a difference between playing hard and leaving it on the ice, and playing dangerously to the point where you're getting hurt every other time you go out there. But everyone supported his style that clearly pushed the envelope of dangerous and self-detrementing, and now he can't play anymore. I was the one who said that if you're putting yourself in THAT much extreme jeopardy, what is the point? And now that couldn't be more clear....yet I'm still the *** hole.

By asking you to explain what it was he didn't deserve, I mean to ask: there hasn't ever been a player that put on a Maine jersey that you felt didn't have the right stuff to make our 20 man lineup regularly?? I never attacked his will, I kept saying he is a 1 dimenional player that isn't going to be a rounded contributor to next years team, so we're not putting our best foot forward by making him a mainstay in the starting 12 like others were encouraging.

Every league has guys with a heartbeat like his, and yea, its important for the fiber of the game. If you followed some D3 teams, you'd be apt to find some guys with tremendously selfless heart. But if their other skills aren't refined enough to contribute to teams in more than 1 way, its not enough alone to cut it at a higher level. Does everyone disagree?

Had nothing to do with his work ethic or character, so lets not make him a martyr just because 1 lunatic fantasy-filled hillbilly idiot didn't think he had enough game to crack the lineup regularly.
 
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walrus said:
yeah, well the kid got hammered on here and he didn't deserve it.
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You are 100% correct walrus, he got hammered on here for no reason, really only by one particular poster. I was tempted to post at the time on this, but knew for sure I would be suspended or even banned for my response.

GoMaine no one is making him a martyr either. I would simply state, I appreciated the effort he put forth on a nightly basis and wish the young man well. He was in the lineup because apparently the coaching staff thought he contributed enough to lace them up every night.
 
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GoMaine24 said:
I think the closest I came to making it personal was saying there is a difference between playing hard and leaving it on the ice, and playing dangerously to the point where you're getting hurt every other time you go out there. But everyone supported his style that clearly pushed the envelope of dangerous and self-detrementing, and now he can't play anymore. I was the one who said that if you're putting yourself in THAT much extreme jeopardy, what is the point? And now that couldn't be more clear....yet I'm still the *** hole.
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You still don't get it. Which is no surprise. One of my favorite things on this board are the dumb people that just keep going further and further into a hole of stupidity defending their stupid opinions.

This is hockey. You play the game hard. Sometimes you get hurt. Sometimes you don't. If simply blocking shots is what you consider "dangerous and self-detrementing" (cue the spelling nazis), then you really once again show you have no idea about this sport. And that's all that really needs to be said. Your other posts would also support the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. Let me ask this... Lots of people that know their hockey here. And not one person comes to your defense or agrees with you on your BIG arguments like it is fairly likely that the BC defense is going to get ravaged by NHL GMs this summer and now that shot-blocking is dangerous/stupid/pushing the envelope/etc. Don't you find that strange?

To finish off my thoughts on this topic... while this guy was a 1-dimensional player last year (assuming this is true), there is certainly a chance a player like that can develop other parts of his game over the course of his career as he adjusts to the speed of this level. The kid had heart and you can't teach that. You plug a guy into the lineup as a 4th liner, get him on the PK unit, and that desire to put the body on the line reverberates through the lineup and they follow a guy like that. Coach him up in other facets of the game and he is a big contributor to complement the snipers, playmakers, and . These guys are incredibly valuable to a team. Check out some of the last few championship teams at BC. Bertram, Greene, Gannon, Price, Lombardi, Hennes. Guys blocked shots, killed penalties, and become lock-down defenders at forward. They weren't snipers or big time offensive weapons, that is for sure. And when the 2008 guys graduated, guess why BC struggled? Hmmmm.

Related to that thought, one of the absolutely huge story lines to this year's championship game was the shot-blocking by ALL of the BC players (stars included) to keep Wisconsin's juggernaut offense SOG total down to a staggeringly low 20 and goal total a giant goose-egg. I guess they are all "STUPID" for putting their body on the line and winning a national title.

You keep plugging away with the stupid posts, though, buddy.
 
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Well you're all probably right. Maine's going to struggle now.

And Nick, your words mean the most, arguing for a guy you've seen play how many times?
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
It has nothing to do with the specific player. It has to do with what you are posting.
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Right, and I said that blocked shots and that sort of heart is an important part of the game...but where is the line? Sometimes you get hurt, sometimes you don't, and that too is part of the game, agreed....but this kid gets seriously hurt just about every time. So where is the difference?

You'll notice a trend that I'm usually drawn to grinders and workers....the guys who don't get the glory of the scoreboard but are huge factors in a teams success. I really liked Belmore and Randall a lot. One of the biggest bummers of last year was Carriere being sidelined....because his hustle and effort was such a spark during his junior year. My favorite player right now is probably Mangene even though he doesn't light the lamp. I recognize Andersson as one of our most important players next year for his D and PK.
Most of those BC kids you listed were more than 1-dimensional. So if this kid really was all of that and a bag of chips, you'd think he would be my hero.

You would rather have more players literally give up their life and health for a 5 second cheer?
 
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You are wrong

Some kids ,sad but true, are more prone to injuries.

Just the way it happens. His last injury happened in practice, I doubt he was being reckless.

walk away, you are wrong. Bad luck factors into injuries as well
 
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My God you are a nitwit. Like I said, it's still quite entertaining to see you going at it and refusing to admit you're an idiot.

GoMaine24 said:
...I said that blocked shots and that sort of heart is an important part of the game...but where is the line? Sometimes you get hurt, sometimes you don't, and that too is part of the game, agreed....but this kid gets seriously hurt just about every time. So where is the difference?
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There is no line. Blocking a shot is blocking a shot. And it has to be done if you want to win. Why did this specific kid get hurt often or any other specific kid? There may be a case of a kid that is fragile here and there but I don't believe at this level with what they get in for weight training and also dietary opportunities there are many of these types of kids. Most of the time you're seeing a kid like this simply ending up being one of the extreme statistics in the distribution of random injury. Some kids NEVER get hurt. Other kids get hurt often. Most lie in the middle somewhere.

GoMaine24 said:
Most of those BC kids you listed were more than 1-dimensional.
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They were pretty 1-dimensional their entire careers, but particularly as first and second year players (a few had good faceoff skills down the road in addition to being a good defensive forward), which is where this particular player for Maine was at in his career. Lombardi was flat out terrible his first two years and part of his 3rd year. The point, which you missed, is that they all put their body on the line to block shots and developed over time into integral parts of the team as seniors and juniors and all of them have won a national title and were severely missed after their departures to graduation.

GoMaine24 said:
You would rather have more players literally give up their life and health for a 5 second cheer?
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Hahahaha. Now these kids are putting their lives on the line by just blocking a hockey puck with equipment on? I feel sorry for you. These kids are hockey players, there is inherent danger in the sport, they are putting their health at risk to a very small degree just going on the ice. Then again, you could trip on the sidewalk during your lunch break and be in danger.

We all know you don't have much of an idea of hockey in general and particularly in the area of how the college kids move onto the next level and what GMs are thinking. So let me clue you in... These types of kids generally aren't drafted because they aren't very skilled. They need to do what they can to stand out to scouts and this is how they get noticed if they want to pursue hockey careers after graduation. Finish checks, block shots (subset of kill penalties?), and not be a liability defensively. They have to excel at being a role player at this level to expect to be one at the next level. If you are afraid of getting hurt and don't block shots, you need to start lining up a job after graduation. That's the bottom line.

edit - hokydad, congrats on your 1,000th post.
 
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GoMaine24 said:
No... if he continued playing the way he was...he would have. That's what I meant.
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Oh, I get it. If he had kept on blocking shots like that, his life would have been in danger - you know, like a cumulative effect, right? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Oh, I get it. If he had kept on blocking shots like that, his life would have been in danger - you know, like a cumulative effect, right? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK. Thanks for clearing that up.
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My word....

That part had nothing to do with shot blocking specifically, but his overall game. He is potentially a concussion or two away from permanent damage.
 
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OK, so just to clear a few things up. I wouldn't have had this resentful approach if it weren't for two things:

1. I feel that all 3 players that were cut last year....Orsini, Randall and Belmore....all had more to offer than Soloman yet he stuck around, and of his qualities defended...I thought Belmore in particular *someone who also had injury problems as a sophomore* brought more to the table in that regard than Kyle, and even had more of a scoring touch in the offensive zone. So I was a little ticked watching them go over him.

2. Out of no where, folks were acting like he was an asset to the team. Hey, maybe he could have amped up his game, who knows? But up to this point, he hasn't shown us more than 1 dimension, so I would rather get some freshmen who are supposed to take this ship over in the future when we graduate Tanner, Robby, Gus, Brian, Spencer, etc over the next couple years...I'd rather get their feet wet and get them some exposure and let THEM show us if they have the balls to play at this level over our least effective upperclassman.


That said, out of curiousity, a total hypothetical:

-What if circumstantially, Kyle was part of the picture and didn't have this terrible situation.... but Maine had to cut one of their forwards before next year.


Who would you guys cut first? 2nd?
 
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GoMaine24 said:
OK, so just to clear a few things up. I wouldn't have had this resentful approach if it weren't for two things:

1. I feel that all 3 players that were cut last year....Orsini, Randall and Belmore....all had more to offer than Soloman yet he stuck around, and of his qualities defended...I thought Belmore in particular *someone who also had injury problems as a sophomore* brought more to the table in that regard than Kyle, and even had more of a scoring touch in the offensive zone. So I was a little ticked watching them go over him.

2. Out of no where, folks were acting like he was an asset to the team. Hey, maybe he could have amped up his game, who knows? But up to this point, he hasn't shown us more than 1 dimension, so I would rather get some freshmen who are supposed to take this ship over in the future when we graduate Tanner, Robby, Gus, Brian, Spencer, etc over the next couple years...I'd rather get their feet wet and get them some exposure and let THEM show us if they have the balls to play at this level over our least effective upperclassman.
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1.Perhaps there were other factors at play besides what sklills they had, or what they 'had to offer' the ice? Perhaps they had crappy attitudes, lousy work ethics, and were chronic malcontents and complainers. You don't know.

2. He was an asset to the team, and it didn't come from out of nowhere. it came from watching the kid play. You can't build a team of all skill players. Someone's gotta do the ugly, dirty work.
 
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GoMaine24 said:
1. I feel that all 3 players that were cut last year....Orsini, Randall and Belmore....all had more to offer than Soloman yet he stuck around, ?
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Huh, maybe their is more to a team than what you see on Friday and Saturday nights.?
 
Re: 2010 Maine offseason: a lazy summer on the Stillwater

Hokydad said:
You are wrong

Some kids ,sad but true, are more prone to injuries.

Just the way it happens. His last injury happened in practice, I doubt he was being reckless.

walk away, you are wrong. Bad luck factors into injuries as well
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My guess is you were prone to head injuries as a kid....
 
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