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2010 Baseball Hall of Fame Class

Re: 2010 Baseball Hall of Fame Class

But the fact that Jack Wilson had a good first-half to a season one time is very important to evaluating him as a player!
That's not even it - the fan vote means that he doesn't even actually have to HAVE a good first half of a season, he just has to be PERCEIVED as having a good first half. And not only that, with the rule that every team has to be represented, all that's really required is to be the best player on a crappy team.
 
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That's not even it - the fan vote means that he doesn't even actually have to HAVE a good first half of a season, he just has to be PERCEIVED as having a good first half. And not only that, with the rule that every team has to be represented, all that's really required is to be the best player on a crappy team.
Sort of like how Jack Morris' opening day starts aren't all that impressive when you realize Brad Radke had nine? :)
 
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I dunno all the rules about greenies and such, or if there was any testing. However, if you can prove that certain players used PEDs those years where it was against the rules (actually against the rules, not morally wrong, or whatever, like andro at one point, for example), those stats and those stats only should not be considered.

I'll let you be the one who boards up Cooperstown for 20 years due to a lack of eligible inductees.
 
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I'll let you be the one who boards up Cooperstown for 20 years due to a lack of eligible inductees.

Ain't my fault. Besides, as many of you seem to feel the same way, the vote-in process is a joke.
 
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(I've bolded guys that I'd vote for, to be clear.)

Andre Dawson: Just can't bring myself to say I'd vote for (as GLM put it) such an out machine. The MVP is nice but I don't know how much weight I can give it in view of the fact that there were like five guys more deserving.
Bert Blyleven: It's ridiculous that he's not in already.
Lee Smith: Yeesh, I have such a hard time evaluating relief pitchers. He had a ton of saves, but it's such a kooky stat. I have to say no. (Trivia: I didn't realize that Lee Smith is black until like 2004.)
Jack Morris: The arguments in his favor are just so specious in my view. I find it particularly silly when people hold Blyleven's failure to hit 300 wins against him and then campaign in favor of Jack Morris, with ~30 fewer.
Tim Raines: I think he'd be a no-doubter if not for how he was overshadowed by Rickey; in a hypothetical world where Rickey did not exist, Raines would arguably be the greatest leadoff hitter of all time. As it is, he's arguably the greatest base-stealer of all time.
Mark McGwire: There's something that seems unfair to me about degrading McGwire for his performance-enhanced achievements now when we were celebrating him for them 10 years ago.
Alan Trammell: Has a good case, but for this year I'm passing on him in favor of the two newly-eligible middle infielders who have better ones. That's probably bad logic, but I'm going with it.
Dave Parker: Falls short of the newly-lowered-by-Jim-Rice bar.
Don Mattingly: Not a chance. Keith Hernandez was better and he's not in.
Dale Murphy: He's one of the guys who deserved the MVP over Dawson in 1987. I'm on the fence about him but passing because of the number of other guys I'm saying yes on.
Harold Baines: Pretty good for a long time, but never really really good.
Roberto Alomar*: Great bat for his position and great glove. Should be a shoe-in.
Kevin Appier*: I saw an article or two pointing out how he was actually a lot better than I realized; understandable error on my part given that I never really watched him until the end of his career. But still, not good enough.
Ellis Burks*: Nope. Love how he came back and had a massive season in 2000 at 35 years old, though.
Andrés Galarraga*: It was truly inspirational to see him come back after cancer, but even if I were inclined to vote for him, I just can't overlook how much better he hit in Denver than at sea level.
Pat Hentgen*: Darn good in 1996 and 1997; never the same after throwing an insane 530 innings over those two seasons.
Mike Jackson*: I didn't realize he'd been around since the late '80s. Not good enough though.
Eric Karros*: Did nice work for my fantasy team in 1999. I don't think that qualifies him for the Hall of Fame, though.
Ray Lankford*: Pretty good, but only pretty good.
Barry Larkin*: The best shortstop in baseball from 1988 until A-Rod came onto the scene; arguably one of the best all-around players of that time period. Should be a shoe-in along with Alomar, and it'll be disappointing if lack of media perception due to the fact that he played his whole career in Cincinnati keeps him out.
Edgar Martinez*: Man, I still haven't decided where I stand on DHes. A great hitter, but would he have been able to put up such great seasons from 1995 to 2001 if he had to play both halves of the inning, or would his production have continued on the same level that it was from 1990 to 1994? Ask me again in another year.
Fred McGriff*: He should be in the Unintentionally Funny TV Commercials Hall of Fame. I dunno. Another very good hitter but misses the cut. I hope nobody decides against voting for him based on his having missed the arbitrary 500-HR cutoff though.
Shane Reynolds*: Umm... he was really good in 1999.
David Segui*: I met him once. Really nice guy. No, I just made that up, but I couldn't think of anything else to say about him.
Robin Ventura*: I think he'd have a better case if we had a better way to evaluate his awesome defense at the hot corner. Falls short though.
Todd Zeile*: Good guy. Cool that he's making movies. Not much better than an average hitter, though, unfortunately.

*- First year eligible


Blyleven, Raines, McGwire, Alomar, Larkin.
 
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There are years nobody should get in. This is one of those years.
 
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There are years nobody should get in. This is one of those years.

This is the year we start kicking guys out, because there are plenty of guys on the list better than guys in there.

Lets start with Jim Rice, then go after Catfish Hunter.
 
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This is the year we start kicking guys out, because there are plenty of guys on the list better than guys in there.

Lets start with Jim Rice, then go after Catfish Hunter.

That party starts with Rizzutto and Mazeroski.
 
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Before this turns into a nerdfest...:eek: ;)

Alomar, Larkin, Dawson, Raines, Smith.

Alomar is an easy one. Great hitter, great D, tops at his position for years.

Larkin - Solid, steady player for 20 years in relative obscurity.

Dawson - Another guy who's best years were played under the radar in Montreal and on other crappy teams. 8 time gold glove winner, he was a tremendous fielder until his knees gave out halfway through his career playing in that joke of stadium for the Expos. He had 15 productive years hitting, again on some bad teams.

Raines - Hadn't thought about him much as he was overshadowed by Rickey Henderson but another good player who made things happen for a long time. I'd be happy to see him included.

Smith - I don't get why he isn't in there. The standard for relievers seems to be in flux, but he was at the top of his game for years. Not as good as Eckerseley or Rivera when he makes it, but still you'd have to put him top 10 all time for his role (Fingers, Sutter, Gossage, Rivera, Eck, Hoffman, ???)

The best part of these HOF classes now is that I've watched these guys play for almost all their careers (I don't remember the beginning of Dawson's career) making it a bit easier to judge. :D

Regarding McGwire, the problem wasn't Andro, it was the other stuff he took that he won't address. Until he does, screw him. No known cheaters in the Hall who's entire candidacy is based on what they did after they started juicing. He was headed out of baseball, and anybody who now wants to reward him for his illegal activity must share a brain with Bud Selig.

Blyleven will probably take until his 15th and last try to get in on a sympathy vote, ala Rice that puts him over the top.
 
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