Re: 2010-2011 Patty Kazmaier Thread: 26 NOMINEES ANNOUNCED
Re: 2010-2011 Patty Kazmaier Thread: 26 NOMINEES ANNOUNCED
I would hope that Duggan's numbers are higher. She plays on a stronger team than Agosta. If we are taking strength of schedule into consideration, then we need to take other abstract numbers, like strength of team, into consideration as well.
You really think that helps Agosta's case? Her team was No. 1 all last season without her. Wisconsin didn't make out of their conference quarterfinals. Granted Wisconsin also got another Olympian and a coach back, but it's hardly a slam dunk in Agosta's favor. We're still talking about the top two teams in the league offensively.
It's tough to separate out an individual from team, but team success is a criteria for the award. Usually Kaz winners do come from the top few teams, of which Mercyhurst is just outside, but they were hardly incapable of achieving that this regular season.
Kaz winners typically come from a top player from one of the top 2 or 3 teams
98 UNH, national champion
99 Harvard, national champion
00 Brown, ECAC winner, No. 1 seed, national runner up
01 Harvard, No. 3 team, ECAC runner-up, NCAA third place
02 Northeastern, an exception, but was No. 2 roughly around time of the voting
03 Harvard, No. 1 at time of voting
04 Harvard, NCAA runner-up, ECAC champion, No. 1-3 most of season
05 Minnesota NCAA champion, No. 1 most of the season
06 Wisconsin NCAA champion, No. 1 or 2 most of the season
07 Harvard, probably the least successful team (at time of voting) to feature a Kaz winner
08 Harvard, No. 1 most of the season, ECAC champ, Frozen Four
09 Wisconsin, NCAA champion, No. 1 most of the season
10 Mercyhurst, No.1 most of the season, CHA champ, Frozen Four
So 2007 was probably the only exceptional year in terms of the Kaz not going to a top team. That year Harvard was about No. 6 roughly at time of the voting, and Chu beat out Bauer on the No. 1 team and Agosta on the No. 2 team. That year Chu was the nation's leading scorer and also scored in every game prior to voting (including various devastating losses) and had a +/- that was an order of magnitude above her teammates, and that kind of consistency and two-way play that showed up in the stats was well-known by everyone who saw her play. So that's the kind of resume it took to win the Kaz when you're not on one of the top 3 teams.
What an ignorant statement. Every game counts. Especially when your conference doesn't have an autobid. Furthermore, as you elude, its a team sport. Duggan doesn't win every game for Wisconsin, so Agoasta isn't going to win every game for Mercyhurst. I've seen both flop when it counts the most.
So have I. But has Duggan flopped when it counts the most more often THIS SEASON than Agosta?
Again, all you guys are doing is down playin one player's success while overstating anos Duggan does do well are clearly way more important and significant .ther., Things that Duggan doesn't do well aren't as important as things Agosta doesn't do well. And thing
You make it sound like people supporting Duggan are ex-post rationalizing their support of Duggan. That's certainly not how I feel. If you look back at this thread, you'll see several times I've posted things to the effect of, "Agosta and Bendus have a bit smaller margin of error than the other candidates because they only get 3 games against top teams. They really need a standout performance in these games to have a shot."
