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2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Federal League said:
I heard from a fairly credible source at the BU-Maine game Friday night that Milo had been in several fights with teammates over the last couple weeks, and that that's the reason he was scratched this weekend.
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Hard to say, but it's certainly as plausible an explanation as any. Milo has been a healthy scratch on several occassions this season. Healthy scratches are almost always due to behavioral issues. If the behavior has continued, judging from the recent healthy scratch it has, then certainly it was warranted. Milo seems like a good kid, but with the season turning out the way it has, one could imagine the locker room and moral is down and perhaps a little edgy. Negativity never helps, and maybe Sneddon saw it as dragging the team and their performance down. Let's hope it allows the team to start having a little fun and playing good hockey again. I think some of the pressure has them playing a little to tight. The season is what it is, trying to do to much doesn't often help.
 
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hmmmmm. Milo is gone and grantfan is quiet when he should be running his trap.

I think this is more than a coincidence.
 
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A couple of weeks ago I said I was going to watch the rest of the season play out. I said what I thought stunk about this team and now I'll watch Sneddon lead the team down the stretch.

I have no new issues with Sneddon. I feel bad for Justin Milo just as I felt bad for Josh Franklin when his career ended and I felt bad about Chris Atkinson fading into oblivion. Until we know what the whole story is on the Milo dismissal, if we ever do, I just feel bad for the kid and for the team because team's that lose 3 players along the way rarely celebrate that season.

I was at both Merrimack games and thought the team was pathetic, especially their effort and performance on Saturday. I, too, noted Sneddon's satisafaction with the team's play on Friday and wondered how he could even utter those words.

I have no new issues with this team. Now, we'll see how they play against New Hampshire with their backs against the wall.
 
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Of course Milo's comments to the press are going to be "surprise" and "I don't know how this could happen" What else would he say given that he has a baseball profession and reputation to protect.

I will add that I was down on his defensive play this year, thinking that he was not working as hard as some of his teammates

Higher than normal levels of conflict within the team for WHATEVER reason would be a VERY CLEAR reason for the incredibly inconsistent performance and for what I consider to be a significant underperformance of the team collectively within the HE schedule

If he was part of the cause of the conflict (seems likely IMO based on what has transpired) maybe they will turn the corner now.

although they are quite understaffed now

and you probably had some team members on each side of the fence (for and against Milo) and those on Milo's side are probably not feeling too goood right now.

All assumptions and presumptions but I'm used to working with teams of humans and this stuff is all part of human nature...
 
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I like a good conspiracy theory.... I still think it's grantfan but now he's on good behavoiur

Now if I could figure out what is up with the #$& forsaken dry and warm weather pattern up here in the hinterlands.

Golf this weekend anyone?
 
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I'm really surprised there has been no official statement released from Sneddon and UVM, even if it was a generic cookie cutter one. Every hockey website has an article on it except UVM's. Just seems odd.

In any event, tough weekend and schedule from here on out, Friday's game is on NESN. Last time out wasn't pretty as Spillane and the Cats got a shellacking courtesy of UNH. Madore has been much better as the season goes and he is going to need to have a heck of a weekend if the Cats stand a chance. Here's hoping.....
 
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This is absolutely just my 2-cents on Milo.. but this means he struck-out (to make a bad pun) at 2 of the better hockey programs in college hockey, so maybe just maybe its not only a Sneddon thing.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
What kind of message does this send to the committed recruits (which are admittedly, quite good in the next few years)? The kid was expected to have that scholarship next year. When you take that away, it's dangerous and puts a message out there to recruits (both verbally committed and uncommitted). QUOTE]

Totally agree with Nick on this. From a public relations perspective Milo saying he was blindsided does not look good. If I were a committed recruit or a parent of a recruit it would have me scratching my head and potentially second guessing my decision.

I can only assume that UVM’s and Sneddon’s hands are tied and that they cannot give the whole story. Ugly all the way around.
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jcarter7669 said:
Last time out wasn't pretty as Spillane and the Cats got a shellacking courtesy of UNH. .
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If you actually watched the game it was a very evenly played game and one of the better TV performances as far as general play. What killed UVM was some goal tending mistakes and a couple of defensive breakdowns that shouldn't happen at that level. Unfortunately playing a game well for 95% doesn't get you a win. And to give UNH credit they always have a team that finishes offensively, something VT hasn't had since the mid-late 90s.
 
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FWIW: The Milo incident parallels that of UNH's Dan Dries that culminanted with his dismissal just prior to the 2009 NCAA tourney. UNH then played a couple of inspired NCAA games v North Dakota and BU, in spite of the turmoil.

Will be interesting to see how UVM responds.

See: UNH dismisses Dries from hockey team
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090328-NEWS-90328012
 
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4035 said:
Totally agree with Nick on this. From a public relations perspective Milo saying he was blindsided does not look good. If I were a committed recruit or a parent of a recruit it would have me scratching my head and potentially second guessing my decision.
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I disagree with you and Nick. Are you kidding me? Since you are scratching your head, please use it. First off, Milo is lying in his comments to the press and second, this has nothing to do with the recruits. There is a history with this player (see Cornell).

I marvel at human behavior and "the need to know". I can only imagine how many viewers will be tuned to the television tomorrow at 11a.m. when Tiger Woods has his press conference.
 
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I was under the impression he left Cornell on his own will to be able to pursue both baseball and hockey. If that is not correct, someone please correct me. And if that is the case, then he was only booted from 1 hockey program.

Saying he is lying is purely speculative. Facts are scarce. He's talking. Sneddon isn't. Who is telling the truth and reading between the lines is all speculation. To an outsider (recruit), it would possibly be a cause for concern to see a team's 2nd leading scorer dismissed and having him go to the press with the impression that he's been blindsided and his hockey career completely derailed (luckily for him he is also good at baseball).

Some kids might see that three players being dismissed in one year means the coach is wild and has no control on the program and be a little leery of the program. Others may see it as a no-nonsense coach they want to play for that is looking for discipline and will not accept anything less than the best you can give him and want to go to UVM. That's all I'm saying. Certainly not going out on much of a limb to think some kids considering the program might be turned off by the situation.
 
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Not a UVM fan, just an interested observer.

Small thought on the recruits issue (having been through a recruiting process myself). In most cases the recruits, unlike the general public, will get told most, if not all, of the details surrounding the dismissal, either through future teammates or the staff. Therefore, they will have access to full information, much like the rest of the members of the team, and will be able to form their opinions and make decisions based on relatively full information, not the speculation that is out there in the public.
 
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GreenCat said:
If you actually watched the game it was a very evenly played game and one of the better TV performances as far as general play.
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Well that is your opinion and HAVING WATCHED the game I thought they took a shellacking.

Spillane was horrible, not a few mistakes he was horrible. The d was horrible, not a few breakdowns but horrible.

That is of course JMO
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
I was under the impression he left Cornell on his own will to be able to pursue both baseball and hockey.

Saying he is lying is purely speculative.
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Well your impression is wrong because I know you don't know all the facts as to why he left Cornell. I am not implying that I know more than you, but I do know there were issues with the team and coach.

Saying he is lying is not speculative when you look at what has led up to his dismissal. He said he was blindsided.....if you believe that, then I'll meet you at the end of the rainbow and we'll share the pot of gold.....if I don't show....you can have it all!;)
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Nick Papagiorgio said:
I was under the impression he left Cornell on his own will to be able to pursue both baseball and hockey. If that is not correct, someone please correct me. And if that is the case, then he was only booted from 1 hockey program.

Saying he is lying is purely speculative. Facts are scarce. He's talking. Sneddon isn't. Who is telling the truth and reading between the lines is all speculation. To an outsider (recruit), it would possibly be a cause for concern to see a team's 2nd leading scorer dismissed and having him go to the press with the impression that he's been blindsided and his hockey career completely derailed (luckily for him he is also good at baseball).

Some kids might see that three players being dismissed in one year means the coach is wild and has no control on the program and be a little leery of the program. Others may see it as a no-nonsense coach they want to play for that is looking for discipline and will not accept anything less than the best you can give him and want to go to UVM. That's all I'm saying. Certainly not going out on much of a limb to think some kids considering the program might be turned off by the situation.
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To be fair, Franklin left due to a lack of playing time and Atkinson was for family matters if I'm not mistaken. Milo is the only one that was dismissed. The other two just left.

As for the Milo thing, someone brought up a point ( on the BurlingtonFreePress Thread) I was unaware of in that this supposedly is a regular occurrence for Milo and that he has rarely stayed with a team for more then a year or two, "wearing out his welcome in a year "

Checking back on this :
Shattuck St. Marys
Stampede (1yr)
Ice (28g) (1/2 yr)
Stars (28g) (1/2 yr)
Cornell (1 yr)
UVM (2yr)



He certainly has had little luck sticking with a team for more then a single season.
 
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hockeymascot said:
Well your impression is wrong because I know you don't know all the facts as to why he left Cornell. I am not implying that I know more than you, but I do know there were issues with the team and coach.
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OK then, Sneddon took a player with past issues and now had to kick him off his team. He doesn't look too INCOMPETENT now, does he?! Nah.

You seem to not know much but you act like you do. He says he was blindsided. I have no reason to believe he's lying. Healthy scratch here and there, fine. I don't know what he was told about being withheld from the lineup. You don't know what he was told. But if speculating about how he feels is your gig, keep rolling with it. Seems like there's a very small brain inside that big mascot head.

jcarter, thanks for clarification on the other 2 guys that left the program.
 
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