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2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
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bottomdweller
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Gee, ya think? Obviously if you win your games you have nothing to worry about, but checking the PWR after every game is just ridiculous, especially on January 10th.
I read on a blog, which I consider reliable and trustworthy, that if the team wins its games, the Pairwise will take care of itself.
Is that reliable and trustworthy or should I ignore that, too?
Gee, ya think? Obviously if you win your games you have nothing to worry about, but checking the PWR after every game is just ridiculous, especially on January 10th.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
UVM needs to play the league games like they have the non-league games = well. If they do that they will take care of their own destiny in the PWR.
Clearly they have either played over their head OOC or have underperformed in HE games. I think it's the latter, but we'll see starting next weekend. Three or four points are needed to stay within striking range of home ice.
UVM needs to play the league games like they have the non-league games = well. If they do that they will take care of their own destiny in the PWR.
Clearly they have either played over their head OOC or have underperformed in HE games. I think it's the latter, but we'll see starting next weekend. Three or four points are needed to stay within striking range of home ice.
jcarter7669
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Was that the UML thread? No that one isn't trustworthy.
Why don't you link us to the threads that are discussing these impending departures so we can all make up our own minds.
Great thanks
I read on a blog, which I consider reliable and trustworthy, that if the team wins its games, the Pairwise will take care of itself.
Is that reliable and trustworthy or should I ignore that, too?
Was that the UML thread? No that one isn't trustworthy.
Why don't you link us to the threads that are discussing these impending departures so we can all make up our own minds.
Great thanks
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Denver's tie dropped them to 9-10 in what? They are first in the PWR.
Weekend is not over yet. Denver is still playing -watching on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain. They are tied with Alaska, tied last night. Vermont needs them to win as Denver's tie last night dropped them from 9 to 10. Plus Michigan States win is not post yet.
A couple games on Sunday probably won't impact them unless Yale loses.
Denver's tie dropped them to 9-10 in what? They are first in the PWR.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
I am sure he means dropped Vermont to 9-10.
And how about Robert Morris with its home n home sweep of #1 Miami.
Denver's tie dropped them to 9-10 in what? They are first in the PWR.
I am sure he means dropped Vermont to 9-10.
And how about Robert Morris with its home n home sweep of #1 Miami.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Former University of Vermont assistant captain and Shelburne, Vt., native Peter Lenes '09 has been named to the ECHL All-Star Team. Lenes has 11 goals and seven assists for 18 points in 37 games this season playing for the Ontario Reign in the ECHL. Ontario is an affiliate of the NHL’s Los Angeles Kings
Former University of Vermont assistant captain and Shelburne, Vt., native Peter Lenes '09 has been named to the ECHL All-Star Team. Lenes has 11 goals and seven assists for 18 points in 37 games this season playing for the Ontario Reign in the ECHL. Ontario is an affiliate of the NHL’s Los Angeles Kings
observer85
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Home and home - Pittsburgh one night and Oxford 2 nights later...long road trip for one game...each team.
Yes, I meant Vermont dropping from 9 to 10 after the weekend of games. On Friday, before the games, the top 12 teams looked like this:
Jan 8, 2010 Pairwise – prior to weekend games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Miami 24 13-2-5 .7750 .6049
2 Denver 23 13-5-2 .7000 .5869
3 Ferris State 22 14-4-2 .7500 .5740*
4 Colorado College 21 12-5-3 .6750 .5693
5 Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5692
6t Bemidji State 18 14-4-2 .7500 .5672
6t Michigan State 18 14-6-2 .6818 .5645
8 Boston College 17 10-5-2 .6471 .5563*
9t Vermont 15 10-6-2 .6111 .5540*
9t St. Cloud State 15 10-7-3 .5750 .5505
11 Minnesota-Duluth 14 12-7-1 .6250 .5502
12t Yale 12 8-3-3 .6786 .5502
12t North Dakota 12 10-6-4 .6000 .5500
12t Massachusetts 12 11-7-0 .6111 .5384
Then as of Today (Monday) they look like this:
Jan 11, 2010 Pairwise – after weekend of games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Denver 24 14-5-3 .7045 .5843
2t Miami 22 13-4-5 .7045 .5793
2t Ferris State 22 16-4-2 .7727 .5763*
4t Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5687
4t Bemidji State 20 14-4-2 .7500 .5636
4t Minnesota-Duluth 20 14-7-1 .6591 .5613
7 Michigan State 18 15-6-3 .6875 .5613
8 Colorado College 17 12-7-3 .6136 .5574
9 North Dakota 16 12-6-4 .6364 .5587
10t Vermont 14 10-6-2 .6111 .5492*
10t St. Cloud State 14 12-7-3 .6136 .5543
12 Yale 13 9-3-3 .7000 .5510*
What I find interesting is that Vermont dropped 1 place (and yes, I understand this is pre-mature to be following...but it is like fantasy football, if it were not for fantasy football, the NFL would not be much fun following).
Minnesota Duluth won 2 big games at home versus Colorado College, went from 11th to 6th; Denver split but went to #1 and Yale has 4 wins and 1 tie (including a 6-1 win over Ferris State) in their last 5 games, but pretty much stayed the same. Yet, Vermont, who has wins over all 3 of these teams, dropped a slot. Guess I was thinking as these teams climbed, Vermont would climb too with their wins over them. Perhaps the 3 game losing stretch Boston College is on is having more weight on Vermont than anything else?
Just curious...
I am sure he means dropped Vermont to 9-10.
And how about Robert Morris with its home n home sweep of #1 Miami.
Home and home - Pittsburgh one night and Oxford 2 nights later...long road trip for one game...each team.
Yes, I meant Vermont dropping from 9 to 10 after the weekend of games. On Friday, before the games, the top 12 teams looked like this:
Jan 8, 2010 Pairwise – prior to weekend games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Miami 24 13-2-5 .7750 .6049
2 Denver 23 13-5-2 .7000 .5869
3 Ferris State 22 14-4-2 .7500 .5740*
4 Colorado College 21 12-5-3 .6750 .5693
5 Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5692
6t Bemidji State 18 14-4-2 .7500 .5672
6t Michigan State 18 14-6-2 .6818 .5645
8 Boston College 17 10-5-2 .6471 .5563*
9t Vermont 15 10-6-2 .6111 .5540*
9t St. Cloud State 15 10-7-3 .5750 .5505
11 Minnesota-Duluth 14 12-7-1 .6250 .5502
12t Yale 12 8-3-3 .6786 .5502
12t North Dakota 12 10-6-4 .6000 .5500
12t Massachusetts 12 11-7-0 .6111 .5384
Then as of Today (Monday) they look like this:
Jan 11, 2010 Pairwise – after weekend of games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Denver 24 14-5-3 .7045 .5843
2t Miami 22 13-4-5 .7045 .5793
2t Ferris State 22 16-4-2 .7727 .5763*
4t Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5687
4t Bemidji State 20 14-4-2 .7500 .5636
4t Minnesota-Duluth 20 14-7-1 .6591 .5613
7 Michigan State 18 15-6-3 .6875 .5613
8 Colorado College 17 12-7-3 .6136 .5574
9 North Dakota 16 12-6-4 .6364 .5587
10t Vermont 14 10-6-2 .6111 .5492*
10t St. Cloud State 14 12-7-3 .6136 .5543
12 Yale 13 9-3-3 .7000 .5510*
What I find interesting is that Vermont dropped 1 place (and yes, I understand this is pre-mature to be following...but it is like fantasy football, if it were not for fantasy football, the NFL would not be much fun following).
Minnesota Duluth won 2 big games at home versus Colorado College, went from 11th to 6th; Denver split but went to #1 and Yale has 4 wins and 1 tie (including a 6-1 win over Ferris State) in their last 5 games, but pretty much stayed the same. Yet, Vermont, who has wins over all 3 of these teams, dropped a slot. Guess I was thinking as these teams climbed, Vermont would climb too with their wins over them. Perhaps the 3 game losing stretch Boston College is on is having more weight on Vermont than anything else?
Just curious...
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Yeah BC is a big one and so are the losses in HE. Losing to UNH, UMASS , Merrimack etc.. those teams have terrible out of conference W-L records. That really drags down UVM.
Home and home - Pittsburgh one night and Oxford 2 nights later...long road trip for one game...each team.
Yes, I meant Vermont dropping from 9 to 10 after the weekend of games. On Friday, before the games, the top 12 teams looked like this:
Jan 8, 2010 Pairwise – prior to weekend games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Miami 24 13-2-5 .7750 .6049
2 Denver 23 13-5-2 .7000 .5869
3 Ferris State 22 14-4-2 .7500 .5740*
4 Colorado College 21 12-5-3 .6750 .5693
5 Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5692
6t Bemidji State 18 14-4-2 .7500 .5672
6t Michigan State 18 14-6-2 .6818 .5645
8 Boston College 17 10-5-2 .6471 .5563*
9t Vermont 15 10-6-2 .6111 .5540*
9t St. Cloud State 15 10-7-3 .5750 .5505
11 Minnesota-Duluth 14 12-7-1 .6250 .5502
12t Yale 12 8-3-3 .6786 .5502
12t North Dakota 12 10-6-4 .6000 .5500
12t Massachusetts 12 11-7-0 .6111 .5384
Then as of Today (Monday) they look like this:
Jan 11, 2010 Pairwise – after weekend of games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Denver 24 14-5-3 .7045 .5843
2t Miami 22 13-4-5 .7045 .5793
2t Ferris State 22 16-4-2 .7727 .5763*
4t Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5687
4t Bemidji State 20 14-4-2 .7500 .5636
4t Minnesota-Duluth 20 14-7-1 .6591 .5613
7 Michigan State 18 15-6-3 .6875 .5613
8 Colorado College 17 12-7-3 .6136 .5574
9 North Dakota 16 12-6-4 .6364 .5587
10t Vermont 14 10-6-2 .6111 .5492*
10t St. Cloud State 14 12-7-3 .6136 .5543
12 Yale 13 9-3-3 .7000 .5510*
What I find interesting is that Vermont dropped 1 place (and yes, I understand this is pre-mature to be following...but it is like fantasy football, if it were not for fantasy football, the NFL would not be much fun following).
Minnesota Duluth won 2 big games at home versus Colorado College, went from 11th to 6th; Denver split but went to #1 and Yale has 4 wins and 1 tie (including a 6-1 win over Ferris State) in their last 5 games, but pretty much stayed the same. Yet, Vermont, who has wins over all 3 of these teams, dropped a slot. Guess I was thinking as these teams climbed, Vermont would climb too with their wins over them. Perhaps the 3 game losing stretch Boston College is on is having more weight on Vermont than anything else?
Just curious...
Yeah BC is a big one and so are the losses in HE. Losing to UNH, UMASS , Merrimack etc.. those teams have terrible out of conference W-L records. That really drags down UVM.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Does USCHO have any pictures of Miami that were not taken from the Gut last year?
This weekends games are on paper 2 of the easier ones left on the schedule and you would think 4 points is very possible. NE is coming off a wasted 4 goal rally versus UML, and the Cats are on a 4 game winning streak.
Golden opportunity or letdown alert?
Does USCHO have any pictures of Miami that were not taken from the Gut last year?
This weekends games are on paper 2 of the easier ones left on the schedule and you would think 4 points is very possible. NE is coming off a wasted 4 goal rally versus UML, and the Cats are on a 4 game winning streak.
Golden opportunity or letdown alert?
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
I think what you will find if you look at the actual PW wins and losses individually is that a lot of those teams had not played the required 10 games against TUC, and now some of them are hitting that plateau so those points are kicking in and altering the PWR. As an example, if UMD had only played 9 games against a TUC then the PWR doesn't take into account TUC, after two games against CC, they now cross the threshold and the TUC record now counts giving them 5 more wins then previously.
Home and home - Pittsburgh one night and Oxford 2 nights later...long road trip for one game...each team.
Yes, I meant Vermont dropping from 9 to 10 after the weekend of games. On Friday, before the games, the top 12 teams looked like this:
Jan 8, 2010 Pairwise – prior to weekend games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Miami 24 13-2-5 .7750 .6049
2 Denver 23 13-5-2 .7000 .5869
3 Ferris State 22 14-4-2 .7500 .5740*
4 Colorado College 21 12-5-3 .6750 .5693
5 Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5692
6t Bemidji State 18 14-4-2 .7500 .5672
6t Michigan State 18 14-6-2 .6818 .5645
8 Boston College 17 10-5-2 .6471 .5563*
9t Vermont 15 10-6-2 .6111 .5540*
9t St. Cloud State 15 10-7-3 .5750 .5505
11 Minnesota-Duluth 14 12-7-1 .6250 .5502
12t Yale 12 8-3-3 .6786 .5502
12t North Dakota 12 10-6-4 .6000 .5500
12t Massachusetts 12 11-7-0 .6111 .5384
Then as of Today (Monday) they look like this:
Jan 11, 2010 Pairwise – after weekend of games
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % RPI
1 Denver 24 14-5-3 .7045 .5843
2t Miami 22 13-4-5 .7045 .5793
2t Ferris State 22 16-4-2 .7727 .5763*
4t Wisconsin 20 12-5-3 .6750 .5687
4t Bemidji State 20 14-4-2 .7500 .5636
4t Minnesota-Duluth 20 14-7-1 .6591 .5613
7 Michigan State 18 15-6-3 .6875 .5613
8 Colorado College 17 12-7-3 .6136 .5574
9 North Dakota 16 12-6-4 .6364 .5587
10t Vermont 14 10-6-2 .6111 .5492*
10t St. Cloud State 14 12-7-3 .6136 .5543
12 Yale 13 9-3-3 .7000 .5510*
What I find interesting is that Vermont dropped 1 place (and yes, I understand this is pre-mature to be following...but it is like fantasy football, if it were not for fantasy football, the NFL would not be much fun following).
Minnesota Duluth won 2 big games at home versus Colorado College, went from 11th to 6th; Denver split but went to #1 and Yale has 4 wins and 1 tie (including a 6-1 win over Ferris State) in their last 5 games, but pretty much stayed the same. Yet, Vermont, who has wins over all 3 of these teams, dropped a slot. Guess I was thinking as these teams climbed, Vermont would climb too with their wins over them. Perhaps the 3 game losing stretch Boston College is on is having more weight on Vermont than anything else?
Just curious...
I think what you will find if you look at the actual PW wins and losses individually is that a lot of those teams had not played the required 10 games against TUC, and now some of them are hitting that plateau so those points are kicking in and altering the PWR. As an example, if UMD had only played 9 games against a TUC then the PWR doesn't take into account TUC, after two games against CC, they now cross the threshold and the TUC record now counts giving them 5 more wins then previously.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Former Catamount and Stowe, Vt., native Graham Mink ‘01 will serve as team captain for PlanetUSA in the upcoming American Hockey League All-Star Classic Jan. 18-19 at the Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland, Maine. Mink has 10 goals and 20 points in 32 games this season playing for the Rochester Americans in the AHL. Rochester is an affiliate of the NHL’s Florida Panthers.
Former Catamount and Stowe, Vt., native Graham Mink ‘01 will serve as team captain for PlanetUSA in the upcoming American Hockey League All-Star Classic Jan. 18-19 at the Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland, Maine. Mink has 10 goals and 20 points in 32 games this season playing for the Rochester Americans in the AHL. Rochester is an affiliate of the NHL’s Florida Panthers.
observer85
Registered User
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
Actually that USCHO picture was in Denver, not Miami. Ruegsegger did not score in game 1 but lit the lamp twice in game 2.
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0910/boxes/mdenver1.o09
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0910/boxes/mdenver1.o10
In answer to your question...I like to think of the Glass as being half full...I would say this is a "Golden opportunity". The boys should be healthy and should be focused with 2 weeks of practice time.
Does USCHO have any pictures of Miami that were not taken from the Gut last year?
This weekends games are on paper 2 of the easier ones left on the schedule and you would think 4 points is very possible. NE is coming off a wasted 4 goal rally versus UML, and the Cats are on a 4 game winning streak.
Golden opportunity or letdown alert?
Actually that USCHO picture was in Denver, not Miami. Ruegsegger did not score in game 1 but lit the lamp twice in game 2.
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0910/boxes/mdenver1.o09
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0910/boxes/mdenver1.o10
In answer to your question...I like to think of the Glass as being half full...I would say this is a "Golden opportunity". The boys should be healthy and should be focused with 2 weeks of practice time.
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
In a classic case of not knowing that I was talking about - I wrote last week of being excited about the incoming class next year because of Decenzo, Herrington, and Montagna but not knowing anything about Conner Brickley.
Then today we see Brickley being ranked #49 for the upcoming NHL draft in the current ranking posted on this website. That probably puts him at the top of the incoming class (and increases my enthusiasm even more). This should be one of the best forward classes ever for UVM with the St. Louis/Perrin class being the benchmark.
I worry a little about UVM coming out flat vs. NU with nearly two weeks off, but hopefully that will not be an issue. They NEED some points. It sure would be nice to have a home playoff series (hard to imagine only 8 home games left) but they have a LOT of work to do to get there.
They should pretend every HE game is an OOC game.
BC's current woes are not helping with the PWR situation but I expect they will get their act together soon - and hopefully against some of the teams the Cats are chasing in the standings.
In a classic case of not knowing that I was talking about - I wrote last week of being excited about the incoming class next year because of Decenzo, Herrington, and Montagna but not knowing anything about Conner Brickley.
Then today we see Brickley being ranked #49 for the upcoming NHL draft in the current ranking posted on this website. That probably puts him at the top of the incoming class (and increases my enthusiasm even more). This should be one of the best forward classes ever for UVM with the St. Louis/Perrin class being the benchmark.
I worry a little about UVM coming out flat vs. NU with nearly two weeks off, but hopefully that will not be an issue. They NEED some points. It sure would be nice to have a home playoff series (hard to imagine only 8 home games left) but they have a LOT of work to do to get there.
They should pretend every HE game is an OOC game.
BC's current woes are not helping with the PWR situation but I expect they will get their act together soon - and hopefully against some of the teams the Cats are chasing in the standings.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
This weekends series should be interesting. On paper, yes, UVM should come away with 4 points, and considering it is at the Gutt, 4 points is necessary. The Cats are now 6-1-1 in their last 8 and look to have righted the ship to some degree. That said, wins against DC, SLU, UAH etc overinflate those numbers but hey a win is a win. That said, weekend sweeps have been rare in Hockey East this year, and a sweep this weekend would lead to a season sweep which makes it even more unlikely. On top of that, NU's Rawlings looks to be the kind of goalie that can steal games, giving up a single goal on 29 shots to UML and 34 saves against ME a few weeks back.
But it's hard to say. The Cats should win both games,however I wouldn't be surprised with a split.
This weekends series should be interesting. On paper, yes, UVM should come away with 4 points, and considering it is at the Gutt, 4 points is necessary. The Cats are now 6-1-1 in their last 8 and look to have righted the ship to some degree. That said, wins against DC, SLU, UAH etc overinflate those numbers but hey a win is a win. That said, weekend sweeps have been rare in Hockey East this year, and a sweep this weekend would lead to a season sweep which makes it even more unlikely. On top of that, NU's Rawlings looks to be the kind of goalie that can steal games, giving up a single goal on 29 shots to UML and 34 saves against ME a few weeks back.
But it's hard to say. The Cats should win both games,however I wouldn't be surprised with a split.
observer85
Registered User
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
or a win and a tie for 3 points...a tie would probably be considered by Northeastern as a "win" and by Vermont, a "loss". But it would give UVM 5 of the 6 available points. They need them...wins and points that is.
This weekends series should be interesting. On paper, yes, UVM should come away with 4 points.....But it's hard to say. The Cats should win both games,however I wouldn't be surprised with a split.
or a win and a tie for 3 points...a tie would probably be considered by Northeastern as a "win" and by Vermont, a "loss". But it would give UVM 5 of the 6 available points. They need them...wins and points that is.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
I have done a great amount of soul-searching to try to determine why I seem to butt heads with my fellow UVM hockey fans. What better time to do such soul-searching, I thought, than as the last thread wound down and this new thread began? In that search of self, I welcome any suggestions from my fellow hockey fans who know me best, including from those of UM-Lowell, BC, Notre Dame, and any others.
There is something about ridiculous overstatement that continues to get me. With all due respect, the incoming recruits representing "one of the best classes ever" and invoking the names of St. Louis and Perrin is, well, enough for me to look at a bit more closely.
First off, such statement is to diminish the very freshman class we are enjoying this season - McCarthy, Roos, and Stalberg, to say nothing of Franzon. Despite being an early member of the UVM All-Decade Team for the 2010s, McCarthy does not yet look like a reincarnation of either St. Louis or Perrin.
Connor Brickley's performance - 27 points (13g) in 28 USHL games as a 6'2", 195 lb. 17 1/2year old - makes him an NHL prospect and a wonderful recruit.
With him comes the senior member of the recruting class, Anthony DeCenzo. Unlike snapdog (and coach Sneddon), who saw Anthony as a high school star, I see a 20 year old with 9g-12a in 32 games in this, his third (second full) USHL season. While he is close to being on pace to match last season's 44 points, he is, thankfully, not on pace to match his startling -44 rating of last season. I am not yet aware of anything that should prompt visions of St. Louis or Perrin, though I did not see him play as a high school star. Plus, was he as big a high school star as Matt Marshall or Josh Franklin?
Perhaps too big to remind of either St. Louis or Perrin will be Lance Herrington's 6'4", 205 lb. brother, Brooks. Now 19 years old, Brooks has crashed the net to the tune of 5g-13a in 22 games, 9th among forwards on an EJHL team that is 22-3-1 and the highest scoring team in the league.
Someone who theoretically could conceivably remind of St. Louis' or Perrin's passing abilities is Mike Montagna (1g-2a in 3 EJHL games). An assist machine (51 in 45 EJHL games) as a 16 year old, Montagna committed to UVM as a 16 year old and is scheduled to arrive in Burlington as an 18 year old in September, seemingly without the benefit of a second year of juniors (or any hockey for that matter). If he is what he seemed last season, he will fill a serious UVM void, a playmaking center!
Defensively, the incoming class has only Blake Doerring, an 18 year old D playing for the 22-9-1 Fargo Force in the USHL. In 23 of Fargo's 32 games, on the league's 2nd highest scoring team, Doerring has quietly put up 1g-3a while firing 10 shots on goal. His +4 is very good on his team, though he is not a tough guy (28 PIMs).
I guess there is something about ridiculous overstatement that continues to get me.
If anyone has any soul-searching ideas for me, please.
I have done a great amount of soul-searching to try to determine why I seem to butt heads with my fellow UVM hockey fans. What better time to do such soul-searching, I thought, than as the last thread wound down and this new thread began? In that search of self, I welcome any suggestions from my fellow hockey fans who know me best, including from those of UM-Lowell, BC, Notre Dame, and any others.
There is something about ridiculous overstatement that continues to get me. With all due respect, the incoming recruits representing "one of the best classes ever" and invoking the names of St. Louis and Perrin is, well, enough for me to look at a bit more closely.
First off, such statement is to diminish the very freshman class we are enjoying this season - McCarthy, Roos, and Stalberg, to say nothing of Franzon. Despite being an early member of the UVM All-Decade Team for the 2010s, McCarthy does not yet look like a reincarnation of either St. Louis or Perrin.
Connor Brickley's performance - 27 points (13g) in 28 USHL games as a 6'2", 195 lb. 17 1/2year old - makes him an NHL prospect and a wonderful recruit.
With him comes the senior member of the recruting class, Anthony DeCenzo. Unlike snapdog (and coach Sneddon), who saw Anthony as a high school star, I see a 20 year old with 9g-12a in 32 games in this, his third (second full) USHL season. While he is close to being on pace to match last season's 44 points, he is, thankfully, not on pace to match his startling -44 rating of last season. I am not yet aware of anything that should prompt visions of St. Louis or Perrin, though I did not see him play as a high school star. Plus, was he as big a high school star as Matt Marshall or Josh Franklin?
Perhaps too big to remind of either St. Louis or Perrin will be Lance Herrington's 6'4", 205 lb. brother, Brooks. Now 19 years old, Brooks has crashed the net to the tune of 5g-13a in 22 games, 9th among forwards on an EJHL team that is 22-3-1 and the highest scoring team in the league.
Someone who theoretically could conceivably remind of St. Louis' or Perrin's passing abilities is Mike Montagna (1g-2a in 3 EJHL games). An assist machine (51 in 45 EJHL games) as a 16 year old, Montagna committed to UVM as a 16 year old and is scheduled to arrive in Burlington as an 18 year old in September, seemingly without the benefit of a second year of juniors (or any hockey for that matter). If he is what he seemed last season, he will fill a serious UVM void, a playmaking center!
Defensively, the incoming class has only Blake Doerring, an 18 year old D playing for the 22-9-1 Fargo Force in the USHL. In 23 of Fargo's 32 games, on the league's 2nd highest scoring team, Doerring has quietly put up 1g-3a while firing 10 shots on goal. His +4 is very good on his team, though he is not a tough guy (28 PIMs).
I guess there is something about ridiculous overstatement that continues to get me.
If anyone has any soul-searching ideas for me, please.
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jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
A very well thought out and well researched post. Keep that up and you can stop soul searching.
I have done a great amount of soul-searching to try to determine why I seem to butt heads with my fellow UVM hockey fans. What better time to do such soul-searching, I thought, than as the last thread wound down and this new thread began? In that search of self, I welcome any suggestions from my fellow hockey fans who know me best, including from those of UM-Lowell, BC, Notre Dame, and any others.
There is something about ridiculous overstatement that continues to get me. With all due respect, the incoming recruits representing "one of the best classes ever" and invoking the names of St. Louis and Perrin is, well, enough for me to look at a bit more closely.
First off, such statement is to diminish the very freshman class we are enjoying this season - McCarthy, Roos, and Stalberg, to say nothing of Franzon. Despite being an early member of the UVM All-Decade Team for the 2010s, McCarthy does not yet look like a reincarnation of either St. Louis or Perrin.
Connor Brickley's performance - 27 points (13g) in 28 USHL games as a 6'2", 195 lb. 17 1/2year old - makes him an NHL prospect and a wonderful recruit.
With him comes the senior member of the recruting class, Anthony DeCenzo. Unlike snapdog (and coach Sneddon), who saw Anthony as a high school star, I see a 20 year old with 9g-12a in 32 games in this, his third (second full) USHL season. While he is close to being on pace to match last season's 44 points, he is, thankfully, not on pace to match his startling -44 rating of last season. I am not yet aware of anything that should prompt visions of St. Louis or Perrin, though I did not see him play as a high school star. Plus, was he as big a high school star as Matt Marshall or Josh Franklin?
Perhaps too big to remind of either St. Louis or Perrin will be Lance Herrington's 6'4", 205 lb. brother, Brooks. Now 19 years old, Brooks has crashed the net to the tune of 5g-13a in 22 games, 9th among forwards on an EJHL team that is 22-3-1 and the highest scoring team in the league.
Someone who theoretically could conceivably remind of St. Louis' or Perrin's passing abilities is Mike Montagna (1g-2a in 3 EJHL games). An assist machine (51 in 45 EJHL games) as a 16 year old, Montagna committed to UVM as a 16 year old and is scheduled to arrive in Burlington as an 18 year old in September, seemingly without the benefit of a second year of juniors (or any hockey for that matter). If he is what he seemed last season, he will fill a serious UVM void, a playmaking center!
Defensively, the incoming class has only Blake Doerring, an 18 year old D playing for the 22-9-1 Fargo Force in the USHL. In 23 of Fargo's 32 games, on the league's 2nd highest scoring team, Doerring has quietly put up 1g-3a while firing 10 shots on goal. His +4 is very good on his team, though he is not a tough guy (28 PIMs).
I guess there is something about ridiculous overstatement that continues to get me.
If anyone has any soul-searching ideas for me, please.
A very well thought out and well researched post. Keep that up and you can stop soul searching.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
No need to soul search Grantfan if you actually do the research before you type. Which you did in mocking me, and I did not do in giving you material to mock
Yup, I overstated the incoming classes value possibly or probably. But I did not say they were better than St. Louis and Perrin's class. Just that they might be ONE of the best classes ever and that St. Louis and Perrin are THE BENCHMARK.
I still think that Brickley and Montagna are probably special players and that is the start to a very good looking class.
On another more relevant topic. Coming into the weekend below .500 in HE I think the Cats NEED a minimum of 3 points this weekend. A split and continuing to be below .500 should not be an option that is acceptable.
Having said that, they need to get there by moving their feet and playing it one shift at a time. Can't get four points on any given shift or in any given period and 60 or 65 minutes twice is going to be critical.
No need to soul search Grantfan if you actually do the research before you type. Which you did in mocking me, and I did not do in giving you material to mock
Yup, I overstated the incoming classes value possibly or probably. But I did not say they were better than St. Louis and Perrin's class. Just that they might be ONE of the best classes ever and that St. Louis and Perrin are THE BENCHMARK.
I still think that Brickley and Montagna are probably special players and that is the start to a very good looking class.
On another more relevant topic. Coming into the weekend below .500 in HE I think the Cats NEED a minimum of 3 points this weekend. A split and continuing to be below .500 should not be an option that is acceptable.
Having said that, they need to get there by moving their feet and playing it one shift at a time. Can't get four points on any given shift or in any given period and 60 or 65 minutes twice is going to be critical.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel
I am ready to get back to Gutterson for hockey! It seems like it's been a long time, but at least I've had the good taste of the Minnesota Duluth victory in my mouth.
My fellow fans have certainly convinced me that I want to see Rob Madore in net, but the team needs to play with the energy they had against Duluth. They need to jump on a decimated Northeastern team that is really having a tough go of things this season - giving up 6 goals to Lowell and just 13 shots on goal in a loss to Umass last weekend.
The Duluth game made me think the Cats can score goals, which will allow the team some breathing room in games. With no less than 19 games and up to 26 games remaining, it'll be interesting to see who scores in the second half.
Brayden Irwin had 4 goals in a 5 game stretch in the first month of the season but only 3 more since November 8 (12 games), though 2 PPGs (and 2 assists) in the last 3 games.
Justin Milo has 6 goals in just 12 games and is on a 6-game point scoring streak (2g-7a).
Jack Downing has 4 goals (7 points) in the 9 games since Thanksgiving.
Colin Vock, like Milo, has a 6-game (2g-7a) point scoring streak.
Brian Roloff has accumulated 3g-5a in the last 9 games.
Wahs Stacey, in and out of the lineup and inconsistent, LIKE THE TEAM, after a fast start (3g-3a in the first 5 games), LIKE THE TEAM, collected 3 points in the 2 Catamount Cup games, including a big PPG against his alma mater, Minnesota Duluth.
David Pacan, the only freshman to play in all 18 games, has collected all of his 5g-4a in the 9 games since Thanksgiving.
That's some pretty good production from a good number of players over a period of time that coincides closely with the team's 8-3-2 record since November.
If Tobias Roos and Sebastien Stalberg combine with Pacan on a freshman line that starts producing like it did against Minnesota Duluth, that will give the team 3 lines that really can score.
If the Catamounts play consistently like they did against good and dangerous Minnesota Duluth - confident goaltending, productive offense, limited defensive breakdowns, I think they can have an excellent second half stretch run and post-season run. I look for the offense to stay in gear and for Madore to play very well and better, and I hope the defense, expected to be the strength but exposed as a weakness, does not give away what the offense produces, as happened against Alabama-Huntsville.
I am optimistic and looking forward to the normalcy of 2-game weekends for the remainder of the season. I do believe the team suffered in its consistency for the highly inconsistent scheduling in the first half. Now, at least the schedule will be consistent.
If the team plays like it did against Minnesota Duluth this weekend, they really should have a successful weekend against a Northeastern team that is ripe to be sent reeling.
I am ready to get back to Gutterson for hockey!
I am ready to get back to Gutterson for hockey! It seems like it's been a long time, but at least I've had the good taste of the Minnesota Duluth victory in my mouth.
My fellow fans have certainly convinced me that I want to see Rob Madore in net, but the team needs to play with the energy they had against Duluth. They need to jump on a decimated Northeastern team that is really having a tough go of things this season - giving up 6 goals to Lowell and just 13 shots on goal in a loss to Umass last weekend.
The Duluth game made me think the Cats can score goals, which will allow the team some breathing room in games. With no less than 19 games and up to 26 games remaining, it'll be interesting to see who scores in the second half.
Brayden Irwin had 4 goals in a 5 game stretch in the first month of the season but only 3 more since November 8 (12 games), though 2 PPGs (and 2 assists) in the last 3 games.
Justin Milo has 6 goals in just 12 games and is on a 6-game point scoring streak (2g-7a).
Jack Downing has 4 goals (7 points) in the 9 games since Thanksgiving.
Colin Vock, like Milo, has a 6-game (2g-7a) point scoring streak.
Brian Roloff has accumulated 3g-5a in the last 9 games.
Wahs Stacey, in and out of the lineup and inconsistent, LIKE THE TEAM, after a fast start (3g-3a in the first 5 games), LIKE THE TEAM, collected 3 points in the 2 Catamount Cup games, including a big PPG against his alma mater, Minnesota Duluth.
David Pacan, the only freshman to play in all 18 games, has collected all of his 5g-4a in the 9 games since Thanksgiving.
That's some pretty good production from a good number of players over a period of time that coincides closely with the team's 8-3-2 record since November.
If Tobias Roos and Sebastien Stalberg combine with Pacan on a freshman line that starts producing like it did against Minnesota Duluth, that will give the team 3 lines that really can score.
If the Catamounts play consistently like they did against good and dangerous Minnesota Duluth - confident goaltending, productive offense, limited defensive breakdowns, I think they can have an excellent second half stretch run and post-season run. I look for the offense to stay in gear and for Madore to play very well and better, and I hope the defense, expected to be the strength but exposed as a weakness, does not give away what the offense produces, as happened against Alabama-Huntsville.
I am optimistic and looking forward to the normalcy of 2-game weekends for the remainder of the season. I do believe the team suffered in its consistency for the highly inconsistent scheduling in the first half. Now, at least the schedule will be consistent.
If the team plays like it did against Minnesota Duluth this weekend, they really should have a successful weekend against a Northeastern team that is ripe to be sent reeling.
I am ready to get back to Gutterson for hockey!
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