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2009-2010 NHL Season Part 3: After The Gold Rush

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Oh I agree. But they ALL know what happens when a stoppage in play happens, and they ALL know it isn't good. I think a stoppage is the LAST thing they want, period. Hence the dilemma.

Who's gonna bend first? How far will one side go before the other bends? Trying to figure out all the results, and working backwards, will provide us with the probable answers, in my opinion.

I think they are both scared as hell about a lockout but honestly, there are tons of other leagues that would be happy to take them (not that places like the k-league are good choices especially after that kid died recently) but I'm just saying...
 
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I think they are both scared as hell about a lockout but honestly, there are tons of other leagues that would be happy to take them (not that places like the k-league are good choices especially after that kid died recently) but I'm just saying...

Bingo, in reference to my Euros take on the bit (along with I think the Euros take the "playing for your country" a little more serious than US/Canadian players, even if only it's the normal overlap between those two countries in the sport, thereby blurring the line, so to speak, of nationalities).
 
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According to my sources within the Vancouver Canucks organization, the New York Rangers are willing to part with G Henrik Lundqvist and a bucket of fried chicken to obtain the services of G Roberto Luongo. Remember, you heard it here first!

:D
 
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Also, the NHL isn't above fining the teams themselves for it. The Sharks were going to release Marco Sturm early in 1998 to play in the preliminary round for Germany and the league threatened them with a $1 million fine.
 
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Also, the NHL isn't above fining the teams themselves for it. The Sharks were going to release Marco Sturm early in 1998 to play in the preliminary round for Germany and the league threatened them with a $1 million fine.

Yeah, but what happens if the players tell the league and their teams to go **** themselves?

I have a feeling this whole thing could get ugly if bettman continues his quest to rid north america of hockey.
 
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Yeah, but what happens if the players tell the league and their teams to go **** themselves?

I have a feeling this whole thing could get ugly if bettman continues his quest to rid north america of hockey.

There's too many variable right now to even guess at 4 years out.

1. The Olympics in 2014 currently have no TV deal
2. The NHL has no CBA past 2011
3. There's no way to guess the state of the KHL and the IIHF transfer agreements by then. Is the KHL viable enough (Basically, is oil back over $120 a barrel) to support a few dozen NHL stars that come over for a year or longer? The other European leagues aren't real viable homes because they play in 4,000 seat arenas. That's why everyone came back in 2005-06.
4. If there isn't a deal, what does USA Hockey and Hockey Canada do? Do they still invite NHL guys to their camps the summer before and thumb their noses at the league? If they don't, the entire threat falls apart, because all you're losing are some Europeans that will come crawling back anyway and the Russians, and Ovechkin is really the only unreplaceable one for the league as a whole. Hell, you can theorize that scoring in that year will go up because of the diluted talent base, like the 80's.

If the Canadians and Americans go, then you've got a nice game of chicken setting up for the year.
 
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Yeah, but what happens if the players tell the league and their teams to go **** themselves?

Hence my original question. If the league blackballs them, or makes it all legal-like in contract fine print......then what?

Meaning:

Bettman: if you play in Sochi, we have to take action.

Players: we're going. Period.

Bettman: Then the NHL will never take you back. Period.

Players: Okay. There are other leagues.

Bettman: Crap, you called my bluff. Ok, how about we suspend each of you two weeks, which will be served during the Olympics, and then we're cool?

Players: Deal.
 
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Hence my original question. If the league blackballs them, or makes it all legal-like in contract fine print......then what?

Meaning:

Bettman: if you play in Sochi, we have to take action.

Players: we're going. Period.

Bettman: Then the NHL will never take you back. Period.

Players: Okay. There are other leagues.

Bettman: Crap, you called my bluff. Ok, how about we suspend each of you two weeks, which will be served during the Olympics, and then we're cool?

Players: Deal.

Win
 
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Players: Okay. There are other leagues.

There's one legit real league in the world. The KHL is falling apart. Enjoy playing for 1/10th the money in facilities where guys die because of the pathetic medical budget!

Yeah, if the players really care about the Olympics they're going to have to give up something. Something substantial like a year of FA or something.
 
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There's one legit real league in the world. The KHL is falling apart. Enjoy playing for 1/10th the money in facilities where guys die because of the pathetic medical budget!

Yeah, if the players really care about the Olympics they're going to have to give up something. Something substantial like a year of FA or something.

You're missing my point. There's a threat from both sides. I am trying to figure out what would happen as a result from those threats, and working backwards.

Does Bettman want to face the players' threats, no matter how ludicrous, or will he bend? And vice versa?
 
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You're missing my point. There's a threat from both sides. I am trying to figure out what would happen as a result from those threats, and working backwards.

Does Bettman want to face the players' threats, no matter how ludicrous, or will he bend? And vice versa?

He's not going to bend. The NHL gets nothing out of the players going to Sochi. The players get something: playing in the Olympics.

The owners want something back.

And if they're going to do Sochi, for the love of God make sure that the break actually doesn't have the Stanley Cup Finals up against the NBA Finals.
 
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Brent, you're severely over-estimated the players' hands.

Also: http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/85741312.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUBP7hUiacyKUUr

U.S. men's hockey GM Brian Burke went on rant Saturday when the topic of the NHL's participation in 2014 Winter Games was brought up:

"I don't like how it's been characterized as Gary Bettman's view, because I don't think it's fair to Gary. I've been in that room where owners have stood up and said, 'We are not going to the Olympics after this one.'

"Imagine some of our markets where we're challenged attendance-wise, and you get into a situation where an Atlanta or Florida are fighting for a playoff spot, actually generating interest, people are following their team, and then we close our doors for 2 1/2 weeks and say, 'Thanks for your patronage, but come back in 2 1/2 weeks.' Any other business in the world did that, they'd win some award for imbecility. But we do it.

"Everyone says, look at the matchup, 'Canada-U.S., this is marvelous.' What was the matchup in Torino? What juice did we get out Nagano? Nothing.

"Rene Fasel says, 'Oh, they have to go, it's the best hockey.' Well, from a business perspective, it does not make sense for us. ... There are really compelling business reasons to not go."

Also: http://www.startribune.com/sports/w...si8cyaiUBP7hUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

Since the NHL began suspending its season four Olympics ago and flooding these Games with the best the sport has to offer, fantastic memories have been created.

More memories will be formed during Sunday's final event of these 2010 Winter Games, and quite frankly, you should cherish every moment of it.

Because in four years when the Olympics turn to Sochi -- a Russian resort city on the Black Sea -- NHLers might not be there to participate.

Much to the dismay of the International Olympic Committee and the International Ice Hockey Federation, the NHL has yet to commit to participating in the 2014 Olympics and it's hardly a shoo-in they will.

"It's clear when you look at these Games from 30,000 feet, it's all good," Commissioner Gary Bettman said at the start of these Olympics during a joint news conference with the head of the IIHF, Rene Fasel. "But you do have to take a step back at ground level and look at the impact on our season and what perhaps we can do about it."

Most passionate hockey fans who don't take time to study the issues are quick to attack Bettman. But if only it were that simple.

First of all, let's be clear: The NHL doesn't make money off the Olympics. This is not a partnership.

Here in 2010, 141 of the 276 players in the Olympics were from the NHL because the league was willing to hand over its assets and go on hiatus for two weeks.

Yet, the league has no control over these players, so for example, if NHL.com wants to interview a player, the league's own website must get behind a mixed-zone barrier and reach across a maze of reporter arms like the rest of us.

The original point of the Olympics was to grow the game globally and gain exposure for this wonderful sport. Yet the league has no control when Olympics rights-holder, and coincidentally NHL partner, NBC, decides to take the recent Canada-U.S. preliminary game -- the most watched sporting event in Canadian history -- and throw it on cable partner MSNBC.

With playoff races heating up, the league simply goes dark. It condenses its schedule and has teams go through an exhaustive pace in order to get in its 82-game season. It hurts the product when at least one of the two teams in virtually every game played the night before in a different city.

Focusing on Sochi specifically, it won't be easy to get the NHL players to and from. While TV coverage in Vancouver is conducive to North American viewers, games in Sochi will be played while most Americans and Canadians are sleeping or scrambling their eggs. And right now, there is a nonexistent relationship between the NHL and what should be their hockey partners in Russia.

The Kontinental Hockey League has shown no respect for NHL contracts, routinely trying to poach players, and in some cases actually doing so. The prime example is Nashville Predators forward Alex Radulov who, while still under contract to the Predators, signed a deal with a KHL team.

This is not to defend the NHL, which many believe is just haggling so it has a bargaining chip with players in the next collective bargaining agreement negotiations.

The players overwhelmingly want to participate, and the Olympic Games are so competitive, exciting and in some cases unpredictable, it would be tragic if the NHL was not involved.

But there are real issues to confront and it's not always as simple as blaming Gary Bettman and calling him shortsighted and stubborn.

Still, as the Team Canada boss Steve Yzerman says, "I think it's been great for the game, and it's been great for the NHL. My opinion is it would be a mistake for us to not to be involved, regardless of the inconvenience."

Sunday's U.S.-Canada showdown should be a magnificent display of hockey. Enjoy it while it lasts because you might not see it again -- at least with NHL players.
 
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fwiw - pundits on KSTP this morning claimed that Belanger, Nolen and Zidlicky could all be available for trades.
 
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fwiw - pundits on KSTP this morning claimed that Belanger, Nolen and Zidlicky could all be available for trades.

This isn't really big news. They all have expiring contracts and while the Wild are in the running for eighth.. If they can get someone to overpay for any of those guys in picks or younger talent, they should absolutely go for it.
 
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This isn't really big news. They all have expiring contracts and while the Wild are in the running for eighth.. If they can get someone to overpay for any of those guys in picks or younger talent, they should absolutely go for it.

Or they could just trade away a number one pick again. Maybe get another player that's "under" achieving at this point in his career and can help them win now.
 
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Steve Ott is getting a 4 year extension at a shade under 3 million per year to stay in Dallas. This leads to the question-

Steve Ott is worth almost $3 million as a hockey player?
 
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Steve Ott is getting a 4 year extension at a shade under 3 million per year to stay in Dallas. This leads to the question-

Steve Ott is worth almost $3 million as a hockey player?

Matt Stajan got a four year extension at $3.5 million per year. That too seems a bit stupid. Ott at $3 million per seems like lighting money on fire, not that Hicks isn't good at that already.

Philly put Riley Cote on waivers as well as putting Ray Emery on LTIR and sending down a handful of guys. I think that's enough blood in the water to think they're making a move soon.
 
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