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2009-2010 Milwaukee Brewers off-season: Got pitching? Cause we don't....

Re: 2009-2010 Milwaukee Brewers off-season: Got pitching? Cause we don't....

Continuing my surgery list from the previous thread add Counsell the list. Another clean out procedure on the right knee

Also Escobar will still be considered a rookie next year, possible rookie of the year honors if he plays the way he did this year and the team contends in september?
 
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Re: 2009-2010 Milwaukee Brewers off-season: Got pitching? Cause we don't....

Post-season press conference today at Miller Park - http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/63698737.html

to summarize:
- they are not trading Ryan or Prince
- they ARE trading Hardy (or Escobar.. unlikely)
- Rickie is the second baseman
- McGehee is probably the third baseman
- Gamel is NOT going to the outfield
- they want to get 2 starting pitchers

of course, this could all change by April. :)
 
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I'd just like to point out that there are two good pitchers signed for next season... Hoffman and Yo.
 
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I like Lopez a lot more than Weeks. Better average and on base %, plus he's a switch hitter. He'd probably cost more than Weeks, but all they need is someone to get on all the time ahead of Prince and Braun. Escobar-Lopez-Braun-Feilder is a great top of the line-up. That being said, I know Melvin is in love with Week's power, therefore he's not going anywhere. Where will Weeks bat? 2nd?

I seriously doubt they will upgrade the pitching enough to contend next year. Hardy and Hart have poor trade value. Gamel is the only guy who you might get something for.
 
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jen said:
Lowest grade goes to Suppan.. D-. Quite a few Ds though.
Nobody got an F. I bet if they had graded Jorge Julio, he would've gotten an F.
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It would be interesting if they based grades on those "alternative" schools where grades are smiley faces and frowny faces. I think Suppan may have gotten a middle finger for a grade, and Julio's grade would probably have been a light bulb. Cause he got lit up. Get it, Cubs fans?
 
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powerofyellowandblack said:
It would be interesting if they based grades on those "alternative" schools where grades are smiley faces and frowny faces. I think Suppan may have gotten a middle finger for a grade, and Julio's grade would probably have been a light bulb. Cause he got lit up. Get it, Cubs fans?
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Here is an option for improving the pitching. We need to convince Tony LaRussa to hang it up in St. Louis, although I'd be surprised if he did. It could free up Dave Duncan.
 
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jen said:
Rick Peterson named pitching coach - http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/64873697.html
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Anyone else have the initial reaction of "Who the hell is Rick Peterson?" :confused:

Hard to tell what kind of legs this would have, but the first major rumor I've heard involving the Brewers would be getting Zach Greinke and a couple of minor leaguers from KC for JJ Hardy, Angel Solome, Mat Gamel, and Manny Parra. If the minor leaguers have any kind of ceiling I would do this deal. JJ most certainly is gone, Solome isn't even the best catching prospect in the organization anymore and he has really leveled off in the high minors, Gamel is a man without a position who appears not to be on the same page as Brewers' brass, and Parra has the stuff to be a #2 in this league but I don't know if he'll ever get the mental part down.
 
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That sounds like a really weak offer for the best young pitcher in baseball.

Also, how the heck can you act like you know baseball and not know who Rick Peterson is? The dude was the supposed guru for Zito, Hudson and Mulder and then became the Mets pitching coach and was infamous for saying he could fix Victor Zambrano in 5 minutes (forgetting there was a damaged elbow ligament there.)

:)
 
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My reaction was more in jest as I was hoping things played out well for the Brewers in relation to David Duncan in St. Louis. Unfortunately for Peterson he won't have young Zito, Hudson, Mulder at the top of this rotation. I can say Duncan can make something of guys like Suppan and Looper because he's done it.
 
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Mark Mulder to Milwaukee? http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/65776452.html

haven't we heard this before? but maybe with Rick Peterson here, he can use some of that biomedical voodoo :) and figure out why he's hurt all the **** time. I wouldn't mind signing him to an incentive-laden one year cheap deal.
 
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from sporcle - <a href="http://www.sporcle.com/games/tk926/Brewers_lineups">can you name the Brewers Opening Day lineups since 1989?</a>

I got 148, I think. I missed a few REALLY obvious ones I should've gotten - some of my favorites, even.

I also think I blacked out in the mid-late 90s, because I missed a lot of those. :cool:
 
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Hardy to the Twins for Carlos Gomez (CF)

MILWAUKEE -- It didn't take long for the Brewers to make the trade everybody saw coming.

The ticker tape was still falling in Manhattan on Friday when the Brewers dealt shortstop J.J. Hardy, a staple of trade rumors this year, to the Twins for speedy center fielder Carlos Gomez. The move has multiple ramifications:

- It eased the shortstop logjam between Hardy, a former All-Star, and Alcides Escobar, the organization's top prospect, essentially handing the baton to Escobar for 2010.

- It gave the Brewers their center fielder and perhaps their leadoff hitter, making Milwaukee even more unlikely to pursue two of its outgoing free agents. Mike Cameron, who manned center field at Miller Park in each of the past two seasons, and Felipe Lopez, who was excellent in the leadoff hole after a July 2009 trade from Arizona, will probably move on.

- It could allow the Brewers to use second baseman Rickie Weeks in a spot other than leadoff. Weeks has always been viewed as a future run-producer but was forced to the top of the order out of necessity.

Gomez does not turn 24 until next month but has already played parts of three seasons in the Major Leagues. In 348 games, he's a .246 hitter with a .292 on-base percentage, 12 home runs, 99 RBIs and 59 stolen bases in 70 tries.

The Twins acquired Gomez as part of the mega-trade that sent pitcher Johan Santana to the Mets in February 2008, and Gomez made 90 starts as Minnesota's leadoff hitter that year. He hit .258 with 59 RBIs, 79 runs scored and 33 steals, enough to enter 2009 as the Twins' center field incumbent.

He lost the starting job after hitting .195 through the 2009 season's first month and spent the year in a timeshare with Denard Span. For his career, Gomez has made 101 of his 263 starts in the leadoff spot and is just a .240 hitter with a .279 on-base percentage.

Twins manager Rob Gardenhire loved Gomez's speed and his range in center field but conceded before Game 2 of this year's American League Division Series against the Yankees, when Gomez made a start, that his offensive game was a work in progress.

"He irritates people," Gardenhire said. "Sometimes me."

The skipper was asked to expound.

"We've been trying to get him to calm down and get him to control the situations, and sometimes the situation controls him," Gardenhire said. "There are times when, yes, you're like, 'Go-Go, you have to see what we're trying to do here.' We just had a 25-pitch inning from our pitcher, and he goes up and falls down swinging on the first pitch.

"Those things get you irritated as a manager, because we want him to recognize what we're doing in a game. But he can play, and he's fun to watch. He's very, very talented and has a lot to learn, yes, but like I said, when you see him out there in center field covering all that ground and then some of the offensive things that he can do that other people can't do, that's why the guy is in the big leagues."
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I guess I don't care too much who they got for Hardy - just that he's gone and it's all about Alcides next year. I'd rather not have Gomez start in center, but if they're going to let Cameron go and use the money for pitching, maybe it's OK.
 
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I guess I think Melvin screwed the pooch on this one. Main concern was pitching. So you get....a non pitcher. This lineup does NOT need another undisciplined right hander. If you were going to get a position player, make it a lefty to bring a little balance to the line up. Gomez has speed. Great....if he gets on base. His defense is not bad. And maybe they can use this money to over pay for someone to pitch, but I still do not like this trade. I was in favor of trading Hardy once I saw Escobar play. But at least trade him for something you need. There was no immediate need for a centerfielder. Cameron may have cost a bit more than you'd like for his offense, but at least he had some pop. I hope I am proven wrong.
 
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powerofyellowandblack said:
I guess I think Melvin screwed the pooch on this one. Main concern was pitching. So you get....a non pitcher. This lineup does NOT need another undisciplined right hander. If you were going to get a position player, make it a lefty to bring a little balance to the line up. Gomez has speed. Great....if he gets on base. His defense is not bad. And maybe they can use this money to over pay for someone to pitch, but I still do not like this trade. I was in favor of trading Hardy once I saw Escobar play. But at least trade him for something you need. There was no immediate need for a centerfielder. Cameron may have cost a bit more than you'd like for his offense, but at least he had some pop. I hope I am proven wrong.
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what kind of pitching were they going to get for Hardy, though? we have THOSE kinds of pitchers already. :) It'd have to have been a package deal, and Hardy probably would not have been the big piece in it. I think there's lots more moves to make.

I think they can live without Cameron's pop. Not sure about living without his leadership and experience, though. This seems like one of those situations where you look at Cam's numbers and say they don't need him... then wonder in August why the hell they got rid of him.

and it only kills me a little inside to trade for a young slightly frustrating center fielder... when they just got rid of one :p

jsonline said Hardy knew it was coming (duh), and he wanted to make sure to thank the fans for their support, especially this season.
 
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