2009-2010 DI Rutter Computer Rankings Thread

[ARM]

Re: 2009-2010 DI Rutter Computer Rankings Thread

Is Cornell for real? Will they maintain a top 8 position and make the NCAAs?

They are in better shape in your RPI, sitting at #6. Wisconsin at #9 is the team in the top ten most hurt by the use of RPI over Rutter for a ranking. Outside the top ten, it is probably Ohio State, while Syracuse fares better. The Buckeyes are #11 Rutter, but #15 in RPI; the Orange jump from #19 in Rutter to #11 in RPI.

As for making the top 8, perhaps this will be the year where we see multiple teams from outside the top 8 claim autobids. The tops of the autobid conferences don't look as daunting as some years. Of course I say that now, and a team like UNH will suddenly start blowing teams out in every game like they did in 2006.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: 2009-2010 DI Rutter Computer Rankings Thread

Rutter Rankings for games played through November 29, 2009

   	Team  	Rating  	
1	Minnesota	1.5037	
2	Mercyhurst	1.4965	
3	New Hampshire	0.9980	
4	UMD		0.9077	
5	Clarkson	0.8206	
6	Harvard		0.5873	
7	Wisconsin	0.5554	
8	Cornell		0.5462	
9	Northeastern	0.3001	
10	Niagara		0.2142

Virtual tie for first. I think it is safe to say we have 1 and 1a in Hurst and Minn. Is Cornell for real? Will they maintain a top 8 position and make the NCAAs?

Four teams in this top ten who are fairly new to the top 10 scene. Nice to see. Looking at the numbers still a clear numerical split between the top 5 and the next 5.

 

[RStarr]

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Rutter Rankings aside, I don't believe Minny is ahead of Mercy. The Lakers seem to have everything the Gophers have plus a little more consistency. That could all change by seasons end though. And I can't believe the Hurst only has one senior...this team could turn into a lil dynasty.

 

[LakersFan]

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As for making the top 8, perhaps this will be the year where we see multiple teams from outside the top 8 claim autobids. The tops of the autobid conferences don't look as daunting as some years. Of course I say that now, and a team like UNH will suddenly start blowing teams out in every game like they did in 2006.

I think the ECAC is the candidate for a non top 8 team to claim an autobid. UNH would get to play the Hockey East tournament at home, and so I think they have a good chance to get the HE bid. One of the big 3 in the WCHA will likely get that autobid. I think the top 6 in PWR should be a lock, number 7 has a real good shot, while number 8 in PWR will be scoreboard watching if not playing for an autobid themselves.

 

[Title_IX_Player]

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So hard to compare apples here....a broad look at both schedules shows that Mercyhurst has only played 2 series with current top 10 teams in Cornell and UMD. They look to possibly have 2 more upcoming in Clarkson and maybe St. Lawrence (if StL regains their form).

On the other hand, Minnesota has already played 3 series with current top 10 teams in UMD, Clarkson, and Wisc, and have 3 more (plus WCHA playoffs) upcoming in Harvard, UMD and Wisco.

Based on this, most statistical software rankings would always benefit Minn by strength of schedule. Is it right, wrong, who knows?

Because of the lack of common data points, I struggle with evaluating Mercyhurst. But isn't this the issue every year?

 

[RStarr]

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Because of the lack of common data points, I struggle with evaluating Mercyhurst. But isn't this the issue every year?

blah blah blah blah. I knew this would come up. Mercyhurst proved their determination last season....how about a little respect where its been earned? Want more apples and oranges? I'd say the Lakers are handling their supposed weaker opponents with much more ease than Minnesota is with theirs.

 

[ARM]

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The Lakers seem to have everything the Gophers have plus a little more consistency.

Haven't seen MC this year, but I'd bet that they are two different types of teams. The Lakers seem to have much of their star power up front, with at least 3 All-American candidates at forward. Conversely if you took Minnesota's 3 players with the best chance to make All-American, you'd have one F, one D, and one G. I almost wonder if we aren't more similar to UNH than we are to the Lakers.

One good thing is that the two teams will wind up with a lot of games against common opponents, given MC is playing 4 different WCHA teams this year (and I see I'd have a chance to watch them live Jan 2 & 3.) I'm still hoping that the two meet on the ice before the season is done.

One of the big 3 in the WCHA will likely get that autobid.

That's always the likely scenario, seeing as how one has won every WCHA tourney. But the "big 3" aren't as big compared to the rest of the league as in a season like last. This is the first year where I'd say there is a very reasonable chance that one could get bounced in the WCHA quarters.

 

[LakersFan]

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So hard to compare apples here....a broad look at both schedules shows that Mercyhurst has only played 2 series with current top 10 teams in Cornell and UMD. They look to possibly have 2 more upcoming in Clarkson and maybe St. Lawrence (if StL regains their form).

On the other hand, Minnesota has already played 3 series with current top 10 teams in UMD, Clarkson, and Wisc, and have 3 more (plus WCHA playoffs) upcoming in Harvard, UMD and Wisco.

Based on this, most statistical software rankings would always benefit Minn by strength of schedule. Is it right, wrong, who knows?

Because of the lack of common data points, I struggle with evaluating Mercyhurst. But isn't this the issue every year?

But Minnesota's two losses are against the number 7 team, while Mercyhurst's only loss is to the number 4 team. But Minnesota beat the number 4 team twice. Arrgh!

This is why computer rankings are useful because it is able to keep all these levels of comparisons straight and be impartial using the theory developed by a human, who would be going in circles trying to keep it all straight.

If UM and Hurst go undefeated, I think UM will be ranked higher in my rankings due to better schedule. But in the end I think it will be irrelevant because these two teams are the top 2 seeds (assuming rosters stay the same) in the NCAA tournament and will only meet in the NCAA final.

 

[ARM]

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If UM and Hurst go undefeated...

I am under no illusions that the Gophs can run the table from here. If offered a scenario where they only lost three more games between now and NCAA selections, I'd take it. And I still think MC drops one somewhere, although it may ultimately prove that the weekend in Niagara was their toughest conference series.

 

[IceIsNice]

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And I can't believe the Hurst only has one senior...this team could turn into a lil dynasty.

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the Lakers also have the added incentive next year of having the Frozen Four being played on a pond in their back yard.

 

[Title_IX_Player]

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blah blah blah blah. ......Want more apples and oranges? ......QUOTE]

Not really, I'm trying to remove the differences and prefer apples to apples or oranges to oranges... Grapes are really good (in liquid form after the harvest too!

There was no bias or non-respect in my post, only pointing out that any computer model would always give more bias to the strength of schedule...and LakersFan concurred.

When I win the lottery, I'll host a top 6 invite every season at x-mas so we can settle the hth comparisons.

 

[OnMAA]

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Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the Lakers also have the added incentive next year of having the Frozen Four being played on a pond in their back yard.

And they get their Stud back for one more year.

 

[ARM]

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And they get their Stud back for one more year.

True, but she's one player. UMD could get up to six players back (Irwin, Larocque, Martin, Holmlov, Winberg, and Asserholt.) Although at Minnesota, we've learned there is a difference between "has eligibility remaining" and "will return". With Wisconsin, BC, and Cornell getting players back as well, I think the landscape will look a lot different next season than this.

 

[freak]

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UNH would have a chance to play the Hockey East tournament at home

FYP.

HEA no longer predetermines the location of the conference tourney. With the increase to 6 playoff teams, the #3/#4 seeds host the quarterfinals. The Semifinals and Final are held at the #1 seed, so UNH would have to win the regular season again to host for the championship.

 

[RStarr]

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blah blah blah blah. ......Want more apples and oranges? ......QUOTE]

Not really, I'm trying to remove the differences and prefer apples to apples or oranges to oranges... Grapes are really good (in liquid form after the harvest too!

There was no bias or non-respect in my post, only pointing out that any computer model would always give more bias to the strength of schedule...and LakersFan concurred.

When I win the lottery, I'll host a top 6 invite every season at x-mas so we can settle the hth comparisons.

just playing d's advocate.

And they get their Stud back for one more year.

Lets. Go. Agosta.

True, but she's one player. UMD could get up to six players back (Irwin, Larocque, Martin, Holmlov, Winberg, and Asserholt.) Although at Minnesota, we've learned there is a difference between "has eligibility remaining" and "will return". With Wisconsin, BC, and Cornell getting players back as well, I think the landscape will look a lot different next season than this.

ahhhh, I can't wait!

 

[Shot"N"Goal]

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blah blah blah blah. I knew this would come up. Mercyhurst proved their determination last season....how about a little respect where its been earned? Want more apples and oranges? I'd say the Lakers are handling their supposed weaker opponents with much more ease than Minnesota is with theirs.

There's plenty of opportunity for Mercyhurst to get truly evaluated. Their upcoming games against St. Cloud St. and Minnesota St., in Jan., will be a good test against solid WCHA teams.

 

[OnMAA]

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True, but she's one player. UMD could get up to six players back (Irwin, Larocque, Martin, Holmlov, Winberg, and Asserholt.) Although at Minnesota, we've learned there is a difference between "has eligibility remaining" and "will return". With Wisconsin, BC, and Cornell getting players back as well, I think the landscape will look a lot different next season than this.

Agree that the Landscape will change next year. Cornell, Wisco, UMD, UNH and Mercyhurts will be leaps and bounds improving as a result. Having said that I'm sure you will agree that the one player from the Hurst coming back is more of a difference maker than most on other teams. There is one other variable no one seems to have talked about recently. There is a certain 18 year old on TC. Be very interesting to see where she will land next year.

 

[ManBehindTheCurtain]

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North Dakota will also be getting a couple of pretty good players off the Olympic team.

 

[ARM]

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Having said that I'm sure you will agree that the one player from the Hurst coming back is more of a difference maker than most on other teams.

I don't know that I do agree. Knight, for example, has a tremendous impact on the game. We've seen the difference that Martin's presence can make. I think Schaus alone gives BC a chance on any given day. Mercyhurst already has the top-ranked team with the #1 offense. Yes, she'll make them better, but I think there is more of a difference to be made on other rosters.

 

[OnMAA]

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North Dakota will also be getting a couple of pretty good players off the Olympic team.

Ummh yeah, how could I forgot about them.
Question is will they be able to play next year ?.