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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Fucking expel them all and throw them into jail

https://twitter.com/hunterw/status/1452434020810346498?s=21
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From the article:

The organizer claims the pair received “several assurances” about the “blanket pardon” from Gosar.

“I was just going over the list of pardons and we just wanted to tell you guys how much we appreciate all the hard work you’ve been doing,” Gosar said, according to the organizer.

The rally planner describes the pardon as being offered while “encouraging” the staging of protests against the election. While the organizer says they did not get involved in planning the rallies solely due to the pardon, they were upset that it ultimately did not materialize.

“I would have done it either way with or without the pardon,” the organizer says. “I do truly believe in this country, but to use something like that and put that out on the table when someone is so desperate, it’s really not good business.”

Gosar’s office did not respond to requests for comment on this story. Rolling Stone has separately obtained documentary evidence that both sources were in contact with Gosar and Boebert on Jan. 6. We are not describing the nature of that evidence to preserve their anonymity. The House select committee investigating the attack also has interest in Gosar’s office. Gosar’s chief of staff, Thomas Van Flein, was among the people who were named in the committee’s “sweeping” requests to executive-branch agencies seeking documents and communications from within the Trump administration. Both sources claim Van Flein was personally involved in the conversations about the “blanket pardon” and other discussions about pro-Trump efforts to dispute the election. Van Flein did not respond to a request for comment.

These specific members of Congress were involved in the pro-Trump activism around the election and the electoral certification on Jan. 6. Both Brooks and Cawthorn spoke with Trump at the Ellipse on Jan. 6. In his speech at that event, Brooks, who was reportedly wearing body armor, declared, “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.” Gosar, Greene, and Boebert were all billed as speakers at the “Wild Protest,” which also took place on Jan. 6 at the Capitol.
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Handyman said:
Merrick Garland is concerned.

Not a thing will be done.
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The sickness of putting Susan Collins in as attorney general in this most important time was stupid. Again, I would have put up Yates, they would have said no, and I would have recessed her right in. That's what their side would have done.

But, as Bill Maher said on Friday. They win because they have more guns, and they do hate better than we do. So hating them gets us nowhere.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
That's two people working at minimum wage full time. Jeebus.
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More like $20/hour because it would be based upon AGI, not gross pay*.

*This does not change the fact that this purely an effort to create more of a cash grab for rich people from the hands of lower & middle income families by means of lower future top-marginal tax rates.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
The sickness of putting Susan Collins in as attorney general in this most important time was stupid. Again, I would have put up Yates, they would have said no, and I would have recessed her right in. That's what their side would have done.

But, as Bill Maher said on Friday. They win because they have more guns, and they do hate better than we do. So hating them gets us nowhere.
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Biden hasn't had a chance to do any recess appointments yet. With the way Congress works these days, the only time it ever officially recesses is every 2 years when it switches over from one Congress to the next following an election.

He can do acting appointments with people who've already been senate confirmed (which is what Trump did), and he can have career staffers as interim agency heads, but he can't do recess appointments until congress actually recesses.
 
He didn't have to go as extreme as Yates (though that is who I supported) but Garland was him trying to hard to prove he was better than his predecessor and placate the people he thought were his friends in the Senate. Now we have to pray that Garland looks past his fear of looking partisan and lays the hammer down. Problem is that isn't in his nature...

I rail on the guy a lot but not because I don't think he knows the law, or love this country, or deserve to be in a position of power I just think he was the wrong choice to hold the office post Trump. You can't have a DOJ that is looking to just move on from all of this. (especially when it is becoming clear certain factions of the FBI have problems of their own) Nothing has changed since the election. Trump and his cronies are still out stirring up Coup Part Deux and none of them have any fear because at best they will serve a few months and likely not have any real long term consequences. Judges and prosecutors use tough language but ultimately there has been no deterrence against the next act.

And history is riddled with crap like this...good people who through inaction and naivete allow evil to take control. That is what evil does it takes advantage of the overall goodness and pushes it until it has no ability to win. That may work out fine in the movies, but in the real world it tends to go very badly.
 
unofan said:
Biden hasn't had a chance to do any recess appointments yet. With the way Congress works these days, the only time it ever officially recesses is every 2 years when it switches over from one Congress to the next following an election.

He can do acting appointments with people who've already been senate confirmed (which is what Trump did), and he can have career staffers as interim agency heads, but he can't do recess appointments until congress actually recesses.
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Ok. My bad. I would have picked somebody else then that the Republicans would never approve of and got them in through previous confirmation or career staffers. Garland is a waste of space. Obama nominated him because he would be nice to the GOP and Biden nominated him because he would be nice to the GOP. And they sure are nice.
 
I'll be honest - I'm going to wait for a non-Rolling Stone source. I absolutely believe that it happened, probably, and probably just like the article stated. Much of the details are already known.

But I don't think we should take any bombshell reporting from RS at face value. It's a garbage magazine.

When the AP or NYT or WAPO confirm it, I'm in.
 
rufus said:
Thing is, you don't really know what Garland is, or isn't doing.
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True, but we know the people who have already been charged and sentenced got off with sentences that are laughable at best. I mean christ they were allowed to travel out of the country on bail...they weren't even jailed after violating the very light provisions of their bail. As of now it looks like they aren't taking any of this seriously in an effort to look non-partisan.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I missed this originally, but definitely agree. We don't know **** until all the cards are on the table. We won't know that with any certainty for months or years.
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And by then it is too late. You really think the DOJ will pursue any of this if the Dems aren't in control any more?

This isn't some long term investigation into terrorism or wire fraud...they have fucking video of what people did and many of them still haven't been charged. Hell the ones in California commit other crimes blocks from the FBI field office and post videos while doing it on Twitter. (which are then liked by cops on Facebook)

The defense some give of Garland is the same BS they said about Mueller during his investigation. The problem is the effectiveness of whatever they find goes down the longer it takes especially since most of us saw everything live. The Rolling Stone article...basically only confirmed what everyone paying attention knew months ago.

This is just going to turn into another Impeachment which goes nowhere unless the DOJ drops the hammer before the midterms. They need to force testimony in the 1/6 Commission or this is all just theater anyways.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Ok. My bad. I would have picked somebody else then that the Republicans would never approve of and got them in through previous confirmation or career staffers. Garland is a waste of space. Obama nominated him because he would be nice to the GOP and Biden nominated him because he would be nice to the GOP. And they sure are nice.
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No Garland was a good pick for the Supreme Court he was a highly respected Appellate Court Judge. Putting him up for the Court was a solid decision and in with any other version of the Senate (even a GOP without McConnell) he would have been an easy confirmation from what I can tell. That is where he belongs. Some men are born for stuff like that. He just isn't the right Wartime Consigliere...
 
Handyman said:
No Garland was a good pick for the Supreme Court he was a highly respected Appellate Court Judge. Putting him up for the Court was a solid decision and in with any other version of the Senate (even a GOP without McConnell) he would have been an easy confirmation from what I can tell. That is where he belongs. Some men are born for stuff like that. He just isn't the right Wartime Consigliere...
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Seems to me he wants to get along to get along. Maybe that makes a good Judge in normal times. It does nothing for us now.
 
Handyman said:
True, but we know the people who have already been charged and sentenced got off with sentences that are laughable at best. I mean christ they were allowed to travel out of the country on bail...they weren't even jailed after violating the very light provisions of their bail. As of now it looks like they aren't taking any of this seriously in an effort to look non-partisan.
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And those people really didn't do anything but trespass in a building they shouldn't be in. They weren't the ones trashing the building, fighting the cops, etc.

Not every one of them deserves the book thrown at them just cause they got caught up in the moment.
 
Swansong said:
I'll be honest - I'm going to wait for a non-Rolling Stone source. I absolutely believe that it happened, probably, and probably just like the article stated. Much of the details are already known.

But I don't think we should take any bombshell reporting from RS at face value. It's a garbage magazine.

When the AP or NYT or WAPO confirm it, I'm in.
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When it comes to reporting on more serious topics what makes it a 'garbage magazine'? I don't want to hear people whine about Matt Taibbi as opposed to their supposedly having a long track record of getting shit wrong.
 
https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/stat...454759947?s=20

The Tennessee Holler @TheTNHoller VOTER: “Why will you only meet with wealthy donors & lobbyists, not constituents? Will you meet with my family? Arizona is getting hotter, what will you do about climate?”

@SenatorSinema : "DON’T TOUCH ME."

(While walking with Republican Tim Scott)
Amy Siskind @Amy_Siskind ? 6h
I just want to say, @SenatorSinema is the most egregious, corrupt, self-interested and irreverent Democrat I have ever seen serve in our Senate. And I for one will do all in my power to defeat her in the 2024 primary. Yes, I hold a grudge!
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Slap Shot said:
When it comes to reporting on more serious topics what makes it a 'garbage magazine'? I don't want to hear people whine about Matt Taibbi as opposed to their supposedly having a long track record of getting **** wrong.
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The UVA rape case was horrifically badly reported and did untold damage to the quest to improve how we "handle" sexual assault in this country. It was used constantly during the #Metoo height to downplay, ignore and marginalize anyone with a real problem. There are dozens of other examples of shoddy reporting and story-trumps-accuracy there, but this one... this was a big deal and they blew it badly.

I don't want to make this about the dumpster fire that is that magazine. Like I said, I am mostly sure that they're probably getting the story about correct, but until someone with even a modicum of journalistic legitimacy can verify the story, I'll withhold judgement.
 
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