117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[Jimjamesak]

So is your argument that the Dixie-crats left the party because the coasts took the Party extreme Left? Even leaving aside that there is about as big a gap between the Dems and Communism as there is between all the Aleutian Islands you seem to be forgetting something kinda big that happened that made them leave. I will give you a hint...it started with Truman and kicked into high gear under Kennedy and Johnson.

Pretending the Dixie-crats left for any reason other than "We dont want no rights for dem Darkies" is the type of revisionist history I expect out of Texas textbooks or Faux News. Please tell me I read your post wrong.

 

[Handyman]

I never could figure LBJ out. By all rights the dude should have been another Strom Thurmond or at best a Robert Byrd. But he was, apparently, the real deal. Actually committed to something like racial justice, or as close as you were gonna get in 1964 anyway. How did that happen? Was he just 6 sigma off the mean?

He was pretty well educated and was a teacher...my guess is that helped.

In other news Schumer says he has the votes for the budget resolution to begin the Reconciliation process and also said he expects to have the votes. I think he is out to lunch but here is hoping.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Handy, I know it's easy to toss out the race card, but the D is presently dominated by NY and CA folks (see: AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Swalwell, et al). And those folks are far more liberal than Dixie-crats. Liberalization of the D is a real factor. But I'll give you credit by saying not the only factor.

In the end however, folks vote wallet even over (their most despicable) biases.

Don't believe me? Previously lily-white Kentucky basketball went integrated when they realized they could reach more fans (aka money).

Dixie-crats are fiscal pragmatists and don't see NY/CA liberalism in their fiscal favor.

 

[unofan]

Handy, I know it's easy to toss out the race card, but the D is presently dominated by NY and CA folks (see: AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Swalwell, et al). And those folks are far more liberal than Dixie-crats. Liberalization of the D is a real factor. But I'll give you credit by saying not the only factor.

In the end however, folks vote wallet even over (their most despicable) biases.

Don't believe me? Previously lily-white Kentucky basketball went integrated when they realized they could reach more fans (aka money).

Dixie-crats are fiscal pragmatists and don't see NY/CA liberalism in their fiscal favor.

Someone tell this man that denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

But yeah, I'm sure the people who still fly a traitorous flag and call it the War of Northern Aggression were pure of heart when they switched parties.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Someone tell this man that denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

But yeah, I'm sure the people who still fly a traitorous flag and call it the War of Northern Aggression were pure of heart when they switched parties.

A good rule to follow is never judge a group by its worst 5%*.

Are there old school, Reb flag bigots. Hell yes. But that ain't all Dixie-crats.


*I break that rule regarding NDSU, Minnesota, and BC fans. ;-)

 

[French Rage]

Someone tell this man that denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

But yeah, I'm sure the people who still fly a traitorous flag and call it the War of Northern Aggression were pure of heart when they switched parties.

Economic anxiety!

 

[unofan]

A good rule to follow is never judge a group by its worst 5%*.

Donald Trump presently has a 82% favorable rating among Republicans. I'm judging far more than 5% of that group.

 

[Kepler]

He was pretty well educated and was a teacher...my guess is that helped.

In other news Schumer says he has the votes for the budget resolution to begin the Reconciliation process and also said he expects to have the votes. I think he is out to lunch but here is hoping.

How's that gonna happen with Sinema's heel turn? Or was it just extortion in which case tip of the cap.

 

[rufus]

A good rule to follow is never judge a group by its worst 5%*.

Are there old school, Reb flag bigots. Hell yes. But that ain't all Dixie-crats.


*I break that rule regarding NDSU, Minnesota, and BC fans. ;-)

It wasn't?

look, your fairy tales are all well and good, but that ain't the world we live in.

 

[Kepler]

Judge based on the median. The median Republican right now is a delusional fascist.

 

[Handyman]

Handy, I know it's easy to toss out the race card, but the D is presently dominated by NY and CA folks (see: AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Swalwell, et al). And those folks are far more liberal than Dixie-crats. Liberalization of the D is a real factor. But I'll give you credit by saying not the only factor.

In the end however, folks vote wallet even over (their most despicable) biases.

Don't believe me? Previously lily-white Kentucky basketball went integrated when they realized they could reach more fans (aka money).

Dixie-crats are fiscal pragmatists and don't see NY/CA liberalism in their fiscal favor.

Yeah I'm gonna trust historians and people who lived it over you sorry.

Kepler,

No friggin clue.

 

[French Rage]

Maybe the security can send a couple of them to join their BFF Ashli: https://twitter.com/ReporterCioffi/status/1420834693012983811

 

[dxmnkd316]

Cuomo, yeah yeah kep, today made a really interesting point about the racist right. He said it's hard for some poor white to be told their whiteness is a privilege that's somehow gotten them things when they're still poor as fuck.

His point wasn't to excuse this. He made that pretty clear.

 

[psych]

The Dixie-crat argument would be they haven't moved positions on issues and the D have become dominated by coastal liberals nee progressives nee socialists nee communists. But D motion away would require R motion toward the Dixie-crats, and don't believe that happened, quite the opposite.

May I kindly ask what the fuck are you talking about? Southern Democrats were white supremacists to their core. That’s literally all they cared about. The filibuster was their weapon, and they used it over and over again to only block civil rights bills. Coastal liberals weren’t even a thing in the 1930s and 1940s…and if they were, just as many, if not more, were in the Republican Party than the Democratic Party.

 

[psych]

How's that gonna happen with Sinema's heel turn? Or was it just extortion in which case tip of the cap.

Sinema is on board with advancing the reconciliation bill. She’s just not on board with the price tag. I was mad at her last night. I’m not as mad today. I still think she sucks, but if the bipartisan bill, along with the reconciliation bill a price tag of, say, even $2.5 to $3 trillion, are signed into law, it’ll still be the most significant investment in physical and human infrastructure since LBJ’s administration.

 

[psych]

Handy, I know it's easy to toss out the race card, but the D is presently dominated by NY and CA folks (see: AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Swalwell, et al). And those folks are far more liberal than Dixie-crats. Liberalization of the D is a real factor. But I'll give you credit by saying not the only factor.

In the end however, folks vote wallet even over (their most despicable) biases.

Don't believe me? Previously lily-white Kentucky basketball went integrated when they realized they could reach more fans (aka money).

Dixie-crats are fiscal pragmatists and don't see NY/CA liberalism in their fiscal favor.

I’m sure you’re also aware, and willing to acknowledge, that while the Democratic Party has moved left in the last decade or two, it’s still considered a mainstream left-of-center party when compared to other countries’ parties. The GOP, on the other hand, has moved so far right that it’s basically off the charts. I think only one or two European parties are further right. I think someone posted a graph of this movement on here not too long ago. Dixiecrats, who haven’t existed in any real numbers since maybe the 1970s, didn’t give two fucks whether their colleagues fighting for civil rights were from California, New York, Minnesota, or Mars. Their utter raison d’etre was continued subjugation of minorities- specifically black people- which puts them squarely in a party like AfD, or the modern day GOP.

 

[psych]

I never could figure LBJ out. By all rights the dude should have been another Strom Thurmond or at best a Robert Byrd. But he was, apparently, the real deal. Actually committed to something like racial justice, or as close as you were gonna get in 1964 anyway. How did that happen? Was he just 6 sigma off the mean?

LBJ wanted one thing, and one thing only: to become President. He was willing to do anything to get there, including saddling up next to the leader of the Dixiecrats: Richard Russell. When that got him where he wanted (Senate Leader), he had to appeal to the “coastal elites” that Sic spoke of, which included Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Paul Douglass of Illinois, those beautiful coastal states, so as to build their support for a future run for President. Nixon as VP under Eisenhower was very civil rights-minded, so it kind of started there, or at least snowballed, and Kennedy- politically convenient or not- continued the snowball after Eisenhower. LBJ basically finished the job. It helped he knew the inner workings of the Senate- kind of like Biden does now. Let’s hope that’s a positive sign for us Democrats now.
If it wasn’t for Vietnam (a huge if), LBJ would be a top 5 President, at least in my opinion.

 

[St. Clown]

LBJ wanted one thing, and one thing only: to become President. He was willing to do anything to get there, including saddling up next to the leader of the Dixiecrats: Richard Russell. When that got him where he wanted (Senate Leader), he had to appeal to the “coastal elites” that Sic spoke of, which included Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Paul Douglass of Illinois, those beautiful coastal states…

How are MN and IL NOT coastal states? They have direct, winding lines to the Atlantic.

 

[Handyman]

Sinema is on board with advancing the reconciliation bill. She’s just not on board with the price tag. I was mad at her last night. I’m not as mad today. I still think she sucks, but if the bipartisan bill, along with the reconciliation bill a price tag of, say, even $2.5 to $3 trillion, are signed into law, it’ll still be the most significant investment in physical and human infrastructure since LBJ’s administration.

Im still mad at her...going public with that was her playing chicken with the House Dems and gave the opposition more leverage. I guarantee she sucks at poker and chess...

 

[St. Clown]

Happy American Socialism Day! Well, maybe it’s not that, but 66 years ago today, LBJ did sign into law the creation of Medicare. Old people around the country both booed and cheered, then visited their doctors as they felt a pain in their ribs after cheering.