117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[Handyman]

Sorry for offending folks. This is a very organized process and I was completely wrong.

Hell my dad called me last night confused by what was happening so it isnt like you are alone. The truth is people are so used to the iron fist of McConnell who just forced everything through with minimal debate or fight that they forgot what this is all supposed to look like. Its why we mock "Dems in Disarray!!1!1". The Progressive Wing and the Centrist Wing SHOULD duke it out. Groupthink is dangerous...as we are seeing on the other side who now can't excise Trump even if they want to.

The roadmap to getting everything you want isn't by everyone thinking the same. The roadmap is open debate and discourse. The Progressive Wing (and the House) pushing for $15 minimum wage in the bill until it was deemed not to be legit by the Parliamentarian is perfection. It was never going to work because Joey Man-Chin and Sinema were going to vote against it but this is probably the longest and deepest conversation that has been had in public over the idea in quite some time. There has been polling done, there has been studies released, it is now part of the national discourse. It has turned from "Leftist Anti-Business Take" to "Populist Ideal" in the course of a month. Some businesses are setting out to PROVE it can work all on their own just to show how much they "care" (hah!) about their workers. Sooner or later it will happen...

The Dems have finally started playing the game. They have taken something they believe in and turned it into a wedge issue. When the debates for the Midterms start they are going to hammer home the idea of $15 because the people support it. Hold the House, get the Senate to 52 and let the games begin. The Dems need to stop worrying about what the GOP says and just keep giving the people what they want. Everyone loves socialism when they are the ones benefitting.

 

[Handyman]

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1368263142606835713

 

[psych]

Sorry for offending folks. This is a very organized process and I was completely wrong.

You don’t offend me. You’re just disingenuous. You can argue that the Dems are screwing up, doing this wrong, doing that wrong, etc., until Trump’s infrastructure week happens. I’ll keep coming back here regardless of what you post. But I won’t ever take you seriously. Either you are capable of making the connection that Democrats, especially Senate ones, are hamstrung because of voters like you, or you’re not. If you are, you’re a troll. If you’re not, you’re a moron. If other people disagree, that’s cool. We’ll both keep posting on here and enjoying the board.

 

[psych]

Hell my dad called me last night confused by what was happening so it isnt like you are alone. The truth is people are so used to the iron fist of McConnell who just forced everything through with minimal debate or fight that they forgot what this is all supposed to look like. Its why we mock "Dems in Disarray!!1!1". The Progressive Wing and the Centrist Wing SHOULD duke it out. Groupthink is dangerous...as we are seeing on the other side who now can't excise Trump even if they want to.

The roadmap to getting everything you want isn't by everyone thinking the same. The roadmap is open debate and discourse. The Progressive Wing (and the House) pushing for $15 minimum wage in the bill until it was deemed not to be legit by the Parliamentarian is perfection. It was never going to work because Joey Man-Chin and Sinema were going to vote against it but this is probably the longest and deepest conversation that has been had in public over the idea in quite some time. There has been polling done, there has been studies released, it is now part of the national discourse. It has turned from "Leftist Anti-Business Take" to "Populist Ideal" in the course of a month. Some businesses are setting out to PROVE it can work all on their own just to show how much they "care" (hah!) about their workers. Sooner or later it will happen...

The Dems have finally started playing the game. They have taken something they believe in and turned it into a wedge issue. When the debates for the Midterms start they are going to hammer home the idea of $15 because the people support it. Hold the House, get the Senate to 52 and let the games begin. The Dems need to stop worrying about what the GOP says and just keep giving the people what they want. Everyone loves socialism when they are the ones benefitting.

Your last sentence is the truth. Keep passing bills that directly help people in need. Democrats will do more for the American public in the first three months of Biden’s administration than the GOP in Trump’s four years. Obvious statement is obvious, but keep hammering that sh-t home.
sidenote: I’m sad they already fixed the apparent bug where swear words were allowed in their entirety.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

I don’t think Sinema would be getting the heat if she would explain her vote. If it’s due to the ruling of the parliamentarian, that’s fine.

Instead, she’s on record as of six years ago saying the minimum wage needs to increase, decided to pull out McCain thumbs down theatrics over something that would benefit people, and her only messaging regarding the bill the last two days is that she brought chocolate cake for staffers working late.

 

[rufus]

Your last sentence is the truth. Keep passing bills that directly help people in need. Democrats will do more for the American public in the first three months of Biden’s administration than the GOP in Trump’s four years. Obvious statement is obvious, but keep hammering that sh-t home.
sidenote: I’m sad they already fixed the apparent bug where swear words were allowed in their entirety.

It's not gonna be enough that they pass stuff. They need to toot their own horns about passing stuff too, like the Repubs do. make it explicitly clear that they passed this, what it does for ordinary Americans out there, what benefits they will get from it, and who kept trying to stop it from being passed, and why.

The average, everyday 'joe sixpack' American has to figure out that the Republicans are not on their side, will not do a thing to help them make their lives better.

 

[bronconick]

Murkowski works with Manchin to amend moving a few hundred million dollars to helping homeless children and other things for Alaska, then votes against the bill anyway. Republicans remain the worst.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Murkowski works with Manchin to amend moving a few hundred million dollars to helping homeless children and other things for Alaska, then votes against the bill anyway. Republicans remain the worst.

What a bitch

 

[Handyman]

Again I think you guys are overthinking it. By working with Man-Chin she gets him to vote for it. If he votes for it it passes. Her vote doesn't matter. She can tout "bipartisanism" but also wont get raked over the coals for voting with the Dems. It is a smart strategy. She is one of the few I would actually believe thinks about thinks enough to come up with it unlike say Collins ;^)

There is a reason the GOP is pushing the culture war arguments more than the deficit arguments. Because the people are seeing the debates (cause there actually is debates) they are better informed. That is why the American Relief Plan is popular even with GOP voters. Just like with the ACA once people saw what was actually going on they realized the GOP wasn't helping them. The GOP needs a diversion. If 60% of your base dislikes the move you are making you go on TV and cry about Dr. Seuss for a week...

On another note I am enjoying ticked off psych!

 

[rufus]

But Manchin got what he wanted from Biden, and was gonna vote for it anyway. Why does he need to get Murkowski stuff for her state? Now she gets it, while voting against the bill that gives it to her.

Fuck her. Fuck their idea of what 'unity' means.

 

[Handyman]

Manchin is never satisfied...and he also wants to make it look like he is crossing the aisle...of course he is crossing the aisle to work with those he agrees with more ;^)

 

[rufus]

But, you dick around with him, and he changes parties, and you have Moscow Mitch as majority leader again.

That really what you want? You know, just so you can keep your principles?

 

[psych]

It's not gonna be enough that they pass stuff. They need to toot their own horns about passing stuff too, like the Repubs do. make it explicitly clear that they passed this, what it does for ordinary Americans out there, what benefits they will get from it, and who kept trying to stop it from being passed, and why.

The average, everyday 'joe sixpack' American has to figure out that the Republicans are not on their side, will not do a thing to help them make their lives better.

Oh I agree. My “keep hammering that sh-t home” was meant to convey that they need to broadcast what they’re doing and why it’s helping people. Definitely not enough to just pass stuff quietly, since the MSM will do their thing.
How the fuck is fuck allowed in its glorious entirety but not sh-t? I don’t understand but fuck is my favorite swear word so I won’t complain.

 

[Kepler]

But, you dick around with him, and he changes parties, and you have Moscow Mitch as majority leader again.

That really what you want? You know, just so you can keep your principles?

He can't change parties. He would be destroyed in a Republican primary. His only political future is doing what he does: run far, far right in the Dem primary as the only guy who can beat any R.

Even so it is only a matter of time until he draws a non-joke R nominee. The only thing keeping him alive is a multi-generational Manchin political machine.

But we can't budge him, either. The needle he is threading is that thin. This is what he's gotta do to hold the seat.

 

[bronconick]

He can't change parties. He would be destroyed in a Republican primary. His only political future is doing what he does: run far, far right in the Dem primary as the only guy who can beat any R.

Even so it is only a matter of time until he draws a non-joke R nominee. The only thing keeping him alive is a multi-generational Manchin political machine.

But we can't budge him, either. The needle he is threading is that thin. This is what he's gotta do to hold the seat.

He's probably going to lose anyway in 2024. He barely won (49-47) in a blue wave in 2018. My bet is he announces retirement in 2023.

 

[Handyman]

But, you dick around with him, and he changes parties, and you have Moscow Mitch as majority leader again.

That really what you want? You know, just so you can keep your principles?

Dude I don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[Handyman]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1368473004230012929

Greene Qucumber is getting testy with her fellow GOPers...

 

[rufus]

He can't change parties. He would be destroyed in a Republican primary. His only political future is doing what he does: run far, far right in the Dem primary as the only guy who can beat any R.

Even so it is only a matter of time until he draws a non-joke R nominee. The only thing keeping him alive is a multi-generational Manchin political machine.

But we can't budge him, either. The needle he is threading is that thin. This is what he's gotta do to hold the seat.

Oh, he could. It might not work out for him in the long run, but what is he, late 70's? He ain't got much of a long run left. If he thinks its in his best short term interests, if he does it just to spite the Dems who were mean to him, who knows? But right now, he's majority leader, everything runs through him.

 

[rufus]

Dude I don't even know what you are talking about.

You don't seem happy with him, cause he's not ideologically pure enough for you. Would you be happier if Mitch was back running things?

Those are your options. Quit whining about how much Manchin sucks, and just deal.

 

[Kepler]

This is how Sinema voted down the minimum wage.

Per my daughter, that is a $450 handbag on her hip. Great optics.

From the Comments:

The fact that people think a living wage is anti-business tells you everything you need to know about business.