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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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Spartanforlife4 said:
It sounds like they’re keeping the full stimulus check cap as it was for the previous two (75k single and 150k couple), but the phase out cap will be lowered to 80k and 160k. Originally it was 100k and 200k.
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This is going to be painful for D’s in 2022. Unbelievably stupid blunder. The thing that gets me even more is there is tons of relief for rich people and you’re not going to throw a bone to people who are middle class to upper middle class depending on where you live?

If those were the brackets they used in prior rounds it would make sense but count on that being something republicans make a big deal over and people eating it up.
 
Drew S. said:
This is going to be painful for D’s in 2022. Unbelievably stupid blunder. The thing that gets me even more is there is tons of relief for rich people and you’re not going to throw a bone to people who are middle class to upper middle class depending on where you live?

If those were the brackets they used in prior rounds it would make sense but count on that being something republicans make a big deal over and people eating it up.
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I don’t think it’s a giant blunder, but it’s certainly one that could have been avoided. The single person making 90k probably isn’t going to miss a $200 check. Where it probably hurts is families and the child payments now phased out earlier, where that $200 check would also include a bonus per child. I’d be interested to see how much this saves, and why the moderate Dems are trying to penny pinch this portion of the bill.

At least it’s better than the prior rumors that 50k would be the full cap and 75k would be the phase out cap.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
I don’t think it’s a giant blunder, but it’s certainly one that could have been avoided. The single person making 90k probably isn’t going to miss a $200 check. Where it probably hurts is families and the child payments now phased out earlier, where that $200 check would also include a bonus per child. I’d be interested to see how much this saves, and why the moderate Dems are trying to penny pinch this portion of the bill.

At least it’s better than the prior rumors that 50k would be the full cap and 75k would be the phase out cap.
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That’s exactly it. This isn’t going to move the needle very much as far as total cost. To be honest $200 for a family making $190k or whatever the formula is isn’t a ton of money, but I suspect people who don’t get anything who got money before will hold Dems responsible. And let’s not forget how close the margins have been in a lot of recent races. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
Drew S. said:
That’s exactly it. This isn’t going to move the needle very much as far as total cost. To be honest $200 for a family making $190k or whatever the formula is isn’t a ton of money, but I suspect people who don’t get anything who got money before will hold Dems responsible. And let’s not forget how close the margins have been in a lot of recent races. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Joe Manchin wanted it more targeted. Your moderate, bipartisan Senator Susan Collins won’t crossover and vote for it because it’s too expensive, so what are Democrats to do?
In HER $600 billion counterproposal that we all laughed at because it was fucking embarrassing, single filers making $40k or less received $1,000, and couples making $80k or received $1,000. Only $500 per dependent, phased out completely at $50k/$100k. You don’t get to lecture anyone on blunders. Kindly go fuck yourself.
 
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Joe Manchin wanted it more targeted. Your moderate, bipartisan Senator Susan Collins won’t crossover and vote for it because it’s too expensive, so what are Democrats to do?
In HER $600 billion counterproposal that we all laughed at because it was fucking embarrassing, single filers making $40k or less received $1,000, and couples making $80k or received $1,000. Only $500 per dependent, phased out completely at $50k/$100k. You don’t get to lecture anyone on blunders. Kindly go fuck yourself.
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She’ll wave to them in a drive by to make up for the money
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Klobuchar supports killing the filibuster
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This is good. The centrist/liberal chasm is a creation of the right we need to ignore, like the canard of "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" of years ago.

People who want good governance and people who want socially conscious policy have no other choice -- they need to unite, balls deep in the Democratic agenda. The Venn area outside of that is death.
 
Drew S. said:
That’s exactly it. This isn’t going to move the needle very much as far as total cost. To be honest $200 for a family making $190k or whatever the formula is isn’t a ton of money, but I suspect people who don’t get anything who got money before will hold Dems responsible. And let’s not forget how close the margins have been in a lot of recent races. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Dude, if you're struggling to make ends meet at $190k, you need to do some serious, serious introspection.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Dude, if you're struggling to make ends meet at $190k, you need to do some serious, serious introspection.
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I think you missed the point. It's not in any way that people need the money, it's that they're going to be pissed that they got a check under Trump and didn't under Biden. I think it's foolish to make the change where it won't result in any sort of material savings.

Somehow it is Collins' fault even though it's only Dems voting for the bill.
 
Drew S. said:
I think you missed the point. It's not in any way that people need the money, it's that they're going to be ****ed that they got a check under Trump and didn't under Biden. I think it's foolish to make the change where it won't result in any sort of material savings.

Somehow it is Collins' fault even though it's only Dems voting for the bill.
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Bless your heart.
 
Drew S. said:
I think you missed the point. It's not in any way that people need the money, it's that they're going to be ****ed that they got a check under Trump and didn't under Biden. I think it's foolish to make the change where it won't result in any sort of material savings.

Somehow it is Collins' fault even though it's only Dems voting for the bill.
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We don't make $190k but the stimulus has been out of reach every time so far for me. I don't hold it against him in the slightest. Nor do my coworkers or friends who are near or exceed that cap. "oh well, get it to the people who need it."
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Where it probably hurts is families and the child payments now phased out earlier, where that $200 check would also include a bonus per child.
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as a single earner, I wouldn't have gotten anything with the previous round of stimulus, but as a family with dependents, I still got around $700 (reduced from $1600) out of the $600 check stimulus.

I thought it was dumb I was getting a stimulus check, because it literally made no difference in my life or spending habits. But now I'm annoyed we'll be left out of the $1400 checks :P
(I was probably going to use it to subsidize a $20K solar panel install, but it's not like whatever reduced amount I got would make that much of a difference)
 
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