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She has a lot of power since she is supposedly one of the "swing votes". Manchin, and Synema for the Dems.
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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!
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She has a lot of power since she is supposedly one of the "swing votes". Manchin, and Synema for the Dems.
she has Spasmodic dysphonia, which mostly causes involuntary spasms in the muscles of the voice box or larynx... not sure if any other body tremors could be related to that
ScoobyDoo
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Anyone who actually expected them to convict had their heads in the sand. Hope to convict, fine- I hope so too.
But in the end, this needs to be a political game to expose the racists for what they are and what they supported. Vote against this impeachment, and it will be used against you. That should be job one for anyone, and I expect the Lincoln Project to take that up. Heck, they have time to attack the 45 between now and a few weeks from now.
Holding dumpy responsible will be a lot easier position to defend than to blow it off.
Handyman
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I know I said Mitch didnt have the votes even if he himself wanted to convict. Trump owns the Republican Party which is why he is having his people distance from the Patriot Party. I mean state GOP Parties are going full QAnon Derp why wouldn't the Senators. Mitch lost control and has completely capitulated. I figured it would take a bit longer but hey he is efficient.
This is why Manchin is a moron despite what you think Kep. He believes he can work with these clowns. He literally said it, he went full Susan Collins on the bit. (they know we have to work together to get things done or some such nonsense) He and Sinema need to shut up and get out of the way after this is over.
This is why Manchin is a moron despite what you think Kep. He believes he can work with these clowns. He literally said it, he went full Susan Collins on the bit. (they know we have to work together to get things done or some such nonsense) He and Sinema need to shut up and get out of the way after this is over.
Kepler
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He lied.
He's not a moron, he's a liar.
I don't understand why you can't wrap your mind around that. When Biden says he thinks the Republicans will be reasonable, he is lying. He knows, just as we all know, what the Republicans are.
Statements made by politicians are not facts, they are political tools. Nobody thinks the Republicans are anything but Nazis. They have proven it. Different characters will say different things based upon their position in the political structure. A Democratic President, a Democratic Senator from a Nazi state, a Democratic Speaker, a Democratic Member from a liberal district all will say different things when they agree upon the same set of facts. They are running different plays depending upon what they can achieve.
Speaking the truth and saying what you want to achieve is a luxury for people like us who have no power to accomplish anything.
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Handyman
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Biden will fight them. Manchin won't. They aren't the same. For all my criticisms of Biden being spineless was never one of them.
I will sooner believe Manchin flips than believe Manchin will do anything of value or that he even is upset with his colleagues. Sinema maybe but he is worthless...this is no longer about how he is better than a Republican...if he is part of what blocks the agenda then he IS a Republican.
Speaking of worthless the stuff being uncovered about Marjorie Qucumber Green is getting rather scary. She makes Crazy Eyes McGunfondler look normal. She posted stuff not that long ago that would make Coping Maga blush...
I will sooner believe Manchin flips than believe Manchin will do anything of value or that he even is upset with his colleagues. Sinema maybe but he is worthless...this is no longer about how he is better than a Republican...if he is part of what blocks the agenda then he IS a Republican.
Speaking of worthless the stuff being uncovered about Marjorie Qucumber Green is getting rather scary. She makes Crazy Eyes McGunfondler look normal. She posted stuff not that long ago that would make Coping Maga blush...
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Kepler
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Can you be more specific? There are literally dozens of Republicans who fit this description.
Manchin is still better than whatever Nazi West Virginia will eventually replace him with. He’ll vote to protect the ACA and he voted against the Trump tax cut. Hes on record saying he’s open to DC statehood. He voted against Amy Coney Barrett even though his state overwhelmingly wanted her confirmed. He’s the best we can get from WV, and his days are numbered — either from retirement or losing to a Trump party nut. And I’ll be sad to see him go.
the WV that voted for Bill Clinton doesn’t exist anymore.
Handyman
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In this case i disagree. A Dem who screws the agenda (which he is) is not better than a Republican. We need all 50. There is zero votes to spare. Screwing the nuking of the filibuster means that nothing gets passed.
The majority doesn't matter if you can't pass bills. He is helpful for judges but no legislation of value gets passed if the filibuster stays in place minus COVID if they do it through reconciliation.
On everything else I agree...but as long as he is a roadblock he is no better than the average Republican. Hell all he had to do was not say anything and the threat would be enough. He and Sinema (for now) basically handcuffed Schumer and Biden.
edit: if he changed his mind later even once I will take back everything. My problem is I doubt he does which is a huge problem.
The majority doesn't matter if you can't pass bills. He is helpful for judges but no legislation of value gets passed if the filibuster stays in place minus COVID if they do it through reconciliation.
On everything else I agree...but as long as he is a roadblock he is no better than the average Republican. Hell all he had to do was not say anything and the threat would be enough. He and Sinema (for now) basically handcuffed Schumer and Biden.
edit: if he changed his mind later even once I will take back everything. My problem is I doubt he does which is a huge problem.
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The universe will be a better place the day Marjorie is gone
https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1354173884153679873
https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1354173884153679873
FadeToBlack&Gold
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And that's the Dems' fault for letting it go. Same thing has happened in Ohio.
Kepler
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Oh my god I'm glad I haven't had recent surgery or I'd have ripped my stitches!
The Dems' fault?! HOW?!
Kepler
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Of 74 million at least 10% agree with that post, non-ironically.
What part "Nazis" do people not understand? This is the real thing, folks. Not a metaphor. These are the exact same people. 1920s Germany was not suddenly possessed by supernatural demons. Nazism is a sociological phenomenon that can be created wherever and whenever conditions are right.
It has happened here. We are right in the middle of it, right down to the Good German ostriches like Hovey.
This is not like that happening, it is it happening. This is not a dress rehearsal, it is the production run.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
He doesn't think he can and keep his office.
I 100% agree with you he should say "screw it" and give his job for this -- the world lost tens of millions fighting the Nazis last time. The least somebody can do is risk a transition to a lucrative private sector gig to fight them.
If every Democrat did what was needed we would stand a great chance of eliminating the immediate threat of the Nazis retaking power nationally. That means we would unpack the Court, nuke them with a VRA that would make the 1964 version look like Rutherford B. Hays, and indict, convict, and imprison every rightwing domestic terrorist and every political and media figure who has aided and abetted them.
This is war by legal means and we cannot lose even once more or it's over.
Nuking the filibuster is the sine qua non of restoring democracy. The Republican party as it currently exists is fully and irredeemably Nazi because it's voters are. They are sociopaths because they are representative of their constituents.
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Handyman
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Sorry but I don't care what he thinks he can and cant do. He doesn't get the excuse of "well I have an election to win" when we believe the future of the country is on the line. We sit here and whine about the GOP is in lockstep and how the Dems are never that way...he is a symptom of that problem. The GOP makes the tough and unpopular decisions and dares the voters to vote them out. The Dems dip their toes in the water and if the temperature is not just right they back away like a frightened 3 year old before they learn to swim.
The thing is, Manchin doesn't think anything is on the line BUT his job. He has no real cares except being a Senator. If he honestly thought anything being done was important he would be standing up screaming about it. I mean he was there, in harms way during the attack and his colleagues in the GOP are doing their best to sweep it under the rug and blame everyone but those responsible so much so that they voted 45-5 to just not even have a trial. That should have him steaming to the point he would want to burn them to the ground with every piece of legislation they hate. Is he though? Nah. What does he care he is a Senator and as long as he does nothing and stays quiet he might get to keep his job. The Dems have plenty of that type of Senator...the quiet kid in the class who is just praying the teacher never calls on them because then they never have to have an opinion or be heard.
As you said in the other thread the people handed us the keys...the problem is our elected leaders are too afraid to step on the gas and go. They would rather let someone else drive so they can just chill in the passenger seat and not have to really worry about anything. They win and get bulldozed.
This Op-Ed In The Times Lays It Out Nicely
The thing is, Manchin doesn't think anything is on the line BUT his job. He has no real cares except being a Senator. If he honestly thought anything being done was important he would be standing up screaming about it. I mean he was there, in harms way during the attack and his colleagues in the GOP are doing their best to sweep it under the rug and blame everyone but those responsible so much so that they voted 45-5 to just not even have a trial. That should have him steaming to the point he would want to burn them to the ground with every piece of legislation they hate. Is he though? Nah. What does he care he is a Senator and as long as he does nothing and stays quiet he might get to keep his job. The Dems have plenty of that type of Senator...the quiet kid in the class who is just praying the teacher never calls on them because then they never have to have an opinion or be heard.
As you said in the other thread the people handed us the keys...the problem is our elected leaders are too afraid to step on the gas and go. They would rather let someone else drive so they can just chill in the passenger seat and not have to really worry about anything. They win and get bulldozed.
This Op-Ed In The Times Lays It Out Nicely
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