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116th Congress: F-cker WAS Impeached. Still not enough.

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Slap Shot said:
Biden should be favored to win but these projections cannot account for how interference the GOP and Trump will put into stealing this right before our eyes. Voter suppression and intimidation, missing or uncounted ballots, etc., etc. I love the probabilities but the message still needs to be VOTE!!!

Also I'm still not in agreement with expanding the SC. OPTICS do freaking matter. We need to find ways to create more unity not division and the SC is at the forefront of items that trigger the orcs.

If the Dems take over Congress they can enact real change in this country including getting rid of the filibuster, putting in tax policy to save the middle class, save the environment, rebuild infrastructure, bring back jobs, bolster the ACA - in others words impact this country in a way Americans care about. Prove that we are better than them and no I do not think that is naive. Why? Because Trump has exposed the maggots - Americans are more awake than at any time since the 60's at least. Get started on legislation that people care about instead of creating a circus that will **** off a portion of the country that is ready to finally turn their backs on the Republican party for good.
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And you think all of that isnt going to set them off? Obama wore a tan suit and they wanted to tar and feather him. Sorry man but naive is the exact word I would use.

I am not exactly keen on packing the Court either but the optics arent the reason. Whatever goes on the orcs will flip the script on the optics. It is what they do. DC Statehood will be a coup. Immigration Reform will be open borders so illegals can vote Dem. Voter Reform will be stealing elections and so on.

You seem to be of the belief we can win them back...we cant. We tried. No more Mr. Nice Guy trying not to offend the 37% who arent smart enough to tie their shoes. We cant govern in fear of what the other side will think. The majority supports us, so it is time to start acting like it.
 
Slap Shot said:
I'll agree to disagree and state flat out I think you're wrong. We'll see.
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What exactly am I wrong about? Obama proved that the GOP and anyone voting for them has no interest in "coming together". As long as Faux and OANN exist there is no chance anything a Dem does will be looked upon favorably by the other side.

Again I am not advocating packing the Court...but the Dems need to govern from strength or they are out in 4 years. If they go usual Dem and try and govern from the middle they will lose to whichever strong man the GOP puts up. It is time they showed the GOP that elections have consequences as well and hold their feet to the fire.
 
The Dems can’t allow these seats to be stolen and placing people who are so far out of touch when what they actual majority of Americans want.

what’s the other option, impeachment? Ha.
 
Handyman said:
What exactly am I wrong about? Obama proved that the GOP and anyone voting for them has no interest in "coming together". As long as Faux and OANN exist there is no chance anything a Dem does will be looked upon favorably by the other side.

Again I am not advocating packing the Court...but the Dems need to govern from strength or they are out in 4 years. If they go usual Dem and try and govern from the middle they will lose to whichever strong man the GOP puts up. It is time they showed the GOP that elections have consequences as well and hold their feet to the fire.
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I agree to agree. I highly doubt Biden will do that though. He will be Charlie Brown to the GOP's Lucy just like Obama.
 
Slap Shot said:
Biden should be favored to win but these projections cannot account for how interference the GOP and Trump will put into stealing this right before our eyes. Voter suppression and intimidation, missing or uncounted ballots, etc., etc. I love the probabilities but the message still needs to be VOTE!!!

Also I'm still not in agreement with expanding the SC. OPTICS do freaking matter. We need to find ways to create more unity not division and the SC is at the forefront of items that trigger the orcs.

If the Dems take over Congress they can enact real change in this country including getting rid of the filibuster, putting in tax policy to save the middle class, save the environment, rebuild infrastructure, bring back jobs, bolster the ACA - in others words impact this country in a way Americans care about. Prove that we are better than them and no I do not think that is naive. Why? Because Trump has exposed the maggots - Americans are more awake than at any time since the 60's at least. Get started on legislation that people care about instead of creating a circus that will **** off a portion of the country that is ready to finally turn their backs on the Republican party for good.
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Nothing they do will matter when the Supreme Court strikes down everything the Democrats passes. That's why McConnell is going balls to the wall. Their options are court packing, or limiting judicial review in the Constitution, claiming Marbury v. Madison was wrongly decided. That's equally extreme. Or they let the SC squash the Democrats for a generation.
 
Handyman said:
What exactly am I wrong about? Obama proved that the GOP and anyone voting for them has no interest in "coming together". As long as Faux and OANN exist there is no chance anything a Dem does will be looked upon favorably by the other side.

Again I am not advocating packing the Court...but the Dems need to govern from strength or they are out in 4 years. If they go usual Dem and try and govern from the middle they will lose to whichever strong man the GOP puts up. It is time they showed the GOP that elections have consequences as well and hold their feet to the fire.
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What in Slap Shot’s post speaks to Democrats governing from a position of weakness? Can anyone really say with a straight face that the vast, vast majority of Biden’s policy platform is “the middle?” From the viewpoint of almost any (actual) policy wonk, Biden’s platform is the most progressive in history. Abolish the filibuster, pass all of that progressive s-it, and let the chips fall where they may. If only 33, or 37, or 42% of America is impossible to convince those progressive policies are good for Americans, f-ck ‘em. That’ll mean Democrats still have +50%, and the vast majority of the policies enacted keep helping everyday Americans, enough people (voters) recognize that, and Democrats keep getting re-elected. It would take the Supreme Court years to overturn all the s-it, if it’s overturned at all.
 
psych said:
Can anyone really say with a straight face that the vast, vast majority of Biden’s policy platform is “the middle?&#8221
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Yes. Biden's policy platform is the center line of the people of this country. It is only shocking to cons because America has spent the last 50 years oscillating between 1 and 3 standard deviations to the Right.

Biden is a move back to the Center. Hopefully it's only temporary and we will spend the next 50 years oscillating between 1 and 3 standard deviations to the Left.

That will be balance.

The clueless, privileged, fragile entitlement of cons has to end. They are so used to being tippy-toed around because they go nuclear at the slightest sign of progress away from their caves that they actually think they are the norm. They aren't -- they have become a more and more radical fringe. A cult that happens to have 30% of the nation. But every sane person reviles them, and it is now time for them to have no input at all beyond their local failed states. The reactionary conservatism of America does not work for anyone except the 1%, and it hasn't since the mid-19th century. That is why the rest of the civilized world has thrown it completely onto the ash heap of history along with slavery and unregulated capitalism and nationalism. It's a desperately sick atavism, only made possible here by the coincidence of a massively undereducated and fanatically religious permanent white underclass.

The American Right is a disease. You don't split the difference with a disease, you eradicate it.
 
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psych said:
What in Slap Shot’s post speaks to Democrats governing from a position of weakness? Can anyone really say with a straight face that the vast, vast majority of Biden’s policy platform is “the middle?” From the viewpoint of almost any (actual) policy wonk, Biden’s platform is the most progressive in history. Abolish the filibuster, pass all of that progressive s-it, and let the chips fall where they may. If only 33, or 37, or 42% of America is impossible to convince those progressive policies are good for Americans, f-ck ‘em. That’ll mean Democrats still have +50%, and the vast majority of the policies enacted keep helping everyday Americans, enough people (voters) recognize that, and Democrats keep getting re-elected. It would take the Supreme Court years to overturn all the s-it, if it’s overturned at all.
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You need to leave Kentucky more often. That is a moderate platform. Bringing things back to normal != Progressive just because the Right went Reactionary.
 
psych said:
What in Slap Shot’s post speaks to Democrats governing from a position of weakness? Can anyone really say with a straight face that the vast, vast majority of Biden’s policy platform is “the middle?” From the viewpoint of almost any (actual) policy wonk, Biden’s platform is the most progressive in history. Abolish the filibuster, pass all of that progressive s-it, and let the chips fall where they may. If only 33, or 37, or 42% of America is impossible to convince those progressive policies are good for Americans, f-ck ‘em. That’ll mean Democrats still have +50%, and the vast majority of the policies enacted keep helping everyday Americans, enough people (voters) recognize that, and Democrats keep getting re-elected. It would take the Supreme Court years to overturn all the s-it, if it’s overturned at all.
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lmao

Most progressive in history? LOL. FDR.

The needle has moved so far right that we think clean air and water are radical ideas now. Or, Conservative Health Care (Obamacare) which is what we really have right now is radical,.

We need the next FDR. UBI is needed ASAP.
 
Handyman said:
You need to leave Kentucky more often. That is a moderate platform. Bringing things back to normal != Progressive just because the Right went Reactionary.
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Ding ding ding we have a winner
 
Handyman said:
You need to leave Kentucky more often. That is a moderate platform. Bringing things back to normal != Progressive just because the Right went Reactionary.
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I’ve done plenty of traveling, thanks. Kentucky has just made me recognize it’s possible to be both progressive and not a condescending a—hole at the same time.
I’m not the person who originally said Biden’s platform is the most progressive in history. I’m just parroting people like Faiz Shakir and Waleed* Shahid*, who know more than I do about policy, and I’m fairly certain aren’t Biden guys.
Scooby, FDR’s policies were wonderful...and they still completely failed minorities. That wasn’t necessarily FDR’s fault. I’d like to think we’ll fix that problem this time around.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The Dems can’t allow these seats to be stolen and placing people who are so far out of touch when what they actual majority of Americans want.

what’s the other option, impeachment? Ha.
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People whine and cry that government doesn't do anything for them. People who have lost jobs, can't pay medical bills, lost their homes in 2008.

Dems got 3 million more votes in 2016, how many more will they get today? Those people voting for them expect them to get things done to make their lives better. If they diddle around, going for all that middle of the road stuff looking for Republican approval, 1. they ain't getting it, and 2. people say, well, why did I vote for you then? and go looking for the next Trump who says "I'm looking out for youuuuu, not those fat cats in Washington", and here we go again.

You get majorities in both houses, and the presidency, then do something with it to help people. Who knows, maybe they'll vote for you next time too.
 
Yeah I have posts pop up out if nowhere if I switch from laptop to mobile or vice versa. Its weird.
 
His tweets were pretty hilarious. The attempt to somehow tie this to Joe Biden was my favorite part :-)
 
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