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115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

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Because not everyone likes the things you like.
 
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Slap Shot said:
That's the same reaction I had - his following equivocation notwithstanding. To claim the Kavanaugh fiasco was a repeat of events going back centuries flies in the face of the history of SCOTUS nominations and their vetting in front of Congress. Never mind the seriousness of why there was a supposed, "no matter what opposition", the hangover from the blocking of Obama's nominee and finally the fact the only reason he was nominated in the first place was his well known opinion a sitting president can't be removed. A member of the committee that provided the names of nominees to Trump himself said Kavanaugh wasn't special and didn't stick out among his peers to any degree.
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Ok, let's recap. A post was made suggesting that had K only confessed to something relatively vague, certainly not attempted rape, but some more obscure mistake as a teen and apologized in some fashion, the K nom wouldn't have blown up into something so huge. I replied basically that I disagreed because when one considers the political environment surrounding the nomination, both sides were already dug in for a knife fight and it was going to blow up regardless. A point anyone is welcome to disagree with.

But what you and jerphisch take away from this post instead is that I think both "being for a rapist" and "opposing a rapist" are equivalent. You're both equivalently idiots.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Ok, let's recap. A post was made suggesting that had K only confessed to something relatively vague, certainly not attempted rape, but some more obscure mistake as a teen and apologized in some fashion, the K nom wouldn't have blown up into something so huge. I replied basically that I disagreed because when one considers the political environment surrounding the nomination, both sides were already dug in for a knife fight and it was going to blow up regardless. A point anyone is welcome to disagree with.

But what you and jerphisch take away from this post instead is that I think both "being for a rapist" and "opposing a rapist" are equivalent. You're both equivalently idiots.
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And you're completely detached from reality, which has demonstrated quite recently that if the candidate isn't likely a rapist and definitely a perjurer, there will be no such knife fight.
 
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Sooo...skimming this thread it looks like Brett Kavanaugh tried to sexually assault Taylor Swift but whether or not that happened Wisko would still want him on the SCOTUS? Is that about right?
 
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jerphisch said:
And you're completely detached from reality, which has demonstrated quite recently that if the candidate isn't likely a rapist and definitely a perjurer, there will be no such knife fight.
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Fine, at least you are now disagreeing with what I said, instead of pulling something out of your... er... the sky.

This nom came right ahead of the midterms. Look out the window, it's a knife fight in the streets everyday about every mundane thing someone can think of a way to make it one over. You've also seen Dems everywhere talking about cranking up the outrage. Irrespective of who Trump's nominee was, I disagree that this ever had any chance of being even mildly apolitical. Klobuchar, who I respect and like quite a bit, started out her 5 minutes of the Kavanaugh questioning by stating essentially that Trump is a crazy person and no matter who his nom was, they needed to be opposed in every way. I don't think she was just filling time there. For D's it was warpath to stir up the base ahead of the midterms. "Remember the Merrick!"
No complaint about that from me, that's just politics.
 
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Rover said:
Sooo...skimming this thread it looks like Brett Kavanaugh tried to sexually assault Taylor Swift but whether or not that happened Wisko would still want him on the SCOTUS? Is that about right?
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Wisko is not for K on the court, nor is he for calling K a rapist, but mookie may say that deal with Taylor could maybe be a plus for K!

Which, to be fair, Kanye once jumped Taylor on TV and he just went World Wide from the oval office yesterday. :D
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
Ok, let's recap. A post was made suggesting that had K only confessed to something relatively vague, certainly not attempted rape, but some more obscure mistake as a teen and apologized in some fashion, the K nom wouldn't have blown up into something so huge. I replied basically that I disagreed because when one considers the political environment surrounding the nomination, both sides were already dug in for a knife fight and it was going to blow up regardless. A point anyone is welcome to disagree with.

But what you and jerphisch take away from this post instead is that I think both "being for a rapist" and "opposing a rapist" are equivalent. You're both equivalently idiots.
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Actually that wasn't our takeaway so deflect away.
 
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Can't remember if this was mentioned anywhere else here, but oddly relevant given some of today's other news: http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html

A company owned by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s in-laws won more than $7 million in no-bid and other federal contracts at U.S. military installations and other government properties in California based on a dubious claim of Native American identity by McCarthy’s brother-in-law, a Times investigation has found.
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Vortex faced no competitive bids for most of the contracts because the Small Business Administration accepted Wages’ claim in 1998 that he is a Cherokee Indian. Under the SBA program, his company became eligible for federal contracts set aside for economically and socially disadvantaged members of minority groups, a boon to its business.

Wages says he is one-eighth Cherokee. An examination of government and tribal records by The Times and a leading Cherokee genealogist casts doubt on that claim, however. He is a member of a group called the Northern Cherokee Nation, which has no federal or state recognition as a legitimate tribe. It is considered a fraud by leaders of tribes that have federal recognition.
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ScoobyDoo said:
Kevin McCarthy will not have any problems. Elizabeth Warren has gone out of her way the last couple of months trying to clear hers up and has but no one will believe her.
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Let me ask you this question. For better or for worse, the intention of inquiring about status as a minority for purposes of getting hired at Harvard or for competitive bidding projects is to give true minorities or minority owned businesses a leg up to get a job or get a position they might not otherwise get because of historical disadvantages experienced by minorities.

Are those minorities really helped when people like Warren or McCarthy come in a claim minority status because they might be 1/2048 native american? That's what everyone called bs on for Warren and her teaching applications and now McCarthy and his business bidding. Let's not kid ourselves. They are by no means the only people in this country engaging in that, but when you want to be a public servant you better expect to be called out on it.
 
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SJHovey said:
Let me ask you this question. For better or for worse, the intention of inquiring about status as a minority for purposes of getting hired at Harvard or for competitive bidding projects is to give true minorities or minority owned businesses a leg up to get a job or get a position they might not otherwise get because of historical disadvantages experienced by minorities.

Are those minorities really helped when people like Warren or McCarthy come in a claim minority status because they might be 1/2048 native american? That's what everyone called bs on for Warren and her teaching applications and now McCarthy and his business bidding. Let's not kid ourselves. They are by no means the only people in this country engaging in that, but when you want to be a public servant you better expect to be called out on it.
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Warren's Native American status had nothing to do with her hiring at Harvard or anywhere else. She was listed as Native American in the directory apparently. But, not hiring. See link in Presidential thread.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Warren's Native American status had nothing to do with her hiring at Harvard or anywhere else. She was listed as Native American in the directory apparently. But, not hiring. See link in Presidential thread.
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Sure, but if you're her, why even claim it? It makes her look stupid. It makes her look fake. Does she really think that because she might be 1/2048 Native American that real Native Americans are going to look at her and conclude "she's one of us?" It's insulting to real minorities when people like Warren claim to be a minority, or even claim some sort of minority status when her connection is as remote, minute and uncertain as hers is.
 
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SJHovey said:
Sure, but if you're her, why even claim it? It makes her look stupid. It makes her look fake. Does she really think that because she might be 1/2048 Native American that real Native Americans are going to look at her and conclude "she's one of us?" It's insulting to real minorities when people like Warren claim to be a minority, or even claim some sort of minority status when her connection is as remote, minute and uncertain as hers is.
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In what specific way did she claim it? Did you fill out some official form at some point to get it recognized? Or did she perhaps mention it as an aside once and someone else ran with it and listed it?
 
SJHovey said:
Sure, but if you're her, why even claim it? It makes her look stupid. It makes her look fake. Does she really think that because she might be 1/2048 Native American that real Native Americans are going to look at her and conclude "she's one of us?" It's insulting to real minorities when people like Warren claim to be a minority, or even claim some sort of minority status when her connection is as remote, minute and uncertain as hers is.
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Did she claim it?

He does claim it and got more out of it than she did it would appear.

Why has she been raked over the coals for this for years and the same people are oddly silent now?

I will hang up and listen.
 
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