unofan
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Because only centrists are corrupt?
Or would he be okay with a non corrupt centrist?
I'm confused.
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115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
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Because only centrists are corrupt?
Or would he be okay with a non corrupt centrist?
I'm confused.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
No confusion. Expect the left to create it's own version of the tea party. Thus halting it's progress for years to come.
No confusion. Expect the left to create it's own version of the tea party. Thus halting it's progress for years to come.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
trixR4kids
New member
The combination is highly problematic in this case as we’re seeing from the results thus far.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Nope. All those ideas are centrist IMO. Democrats have already moved on to some sort of minimum salary or pay for just being a citizen. They're way out in front of their ski's.
Nope. All those ideas are centrist IMO. Democrats have already moved on to some sort of minimum salary or pay for just being a citizen. They're way out in front of their ski's.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Maybe in Minnesota they’re “centrist” but in most other places it’s “liberal extremism”.
You’re letting your blind hate for Bernie cloud your thinking.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Ok. They're not centrist. I'll go back to giving guns to 5 year olds. That had more support.
Ok. They're not centrist. I'll go back to giving guns to 5 year olds. That had more support.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
JFC nevermind, I wanted to have a thoughtful discussion but I guess not.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
To have a thoughtful discussion you need to offer up what would be centrist and not accuse me of having clouded judgement. I put my 3 issues on the board. You didn't.
Simple Payer isn't extreme. It's normal for most of the world.
Paying for two years of college makes economic sense and so does real tax reform.
Extremist my ***.
To have a thoughtful discussion you need to offer up what would be centrist and not accuse me of having clouded judgement. I put my 3 issues on the board. You didn't.
Simple Payer isn't extreme. It's normal for most of the world.
Paying for two years of college makes economic sense and so does real tax reform.
Extremist my ***.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Centrist in this country is basically what Obama did and what the Democratic leadership wants:
1. Slightly tweaked Obamacare.
2. A rollback to ~2012 tax rates
3. Assistance for student loans like slightly lower rates and deferments on payments.
Like or not but your ideas, and mine, are considered “extreme” to Democratic leadership. You want to change that, you need a Tea Partyesque movement.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
You can't run on any of that. They need something to run on and they need to deliver on something tangible. That list is what you end up with when you don't have the entire Congress, and not what you run on.
You can't run on any of that. They need something to run on and they need to deliver on something tangible. That list is what you end up with when you don't have the entire Congress, and not what you run on.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
I agree with you. Problem is, the Democratic leadership doesn’t. Why? Who knows exactly, I can make a guess. But how do you change that? Well through a grassroots movement that either changes the leadership or forces leadership to change, aka a Tea Party movement. Your problem, it seems to me at least, is you don’t want that because it’s being led by Bernie Sanders.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
The epic fail appears to be Perez. Bernie is just a Senator. He's not even a Democrat.
The epic fail appears to be Perez. Bernie is just a Senator. He's not even a Democrat.
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Hillary's platform of policy moderation plus inclusiveness was just fine. Based on that, it was in the bank.
Her problem was not her platform nor her experience. Her problem was that she was loaded down with a scandal, the election was interfered with by the Russians/Comey, and the fact that parts of this country are still not ready for a woman president. We need electibility first and foremost - and appealing to the left rather than the middle is not the way to get there.
Hillary's platform of policy moderation plus inclusiveness was just fine. Based on that, it was in the bank.
Her problem was not her platform nor her experience. Her problem was that she was loaded down with a scandal, the election was interfered with by the Russians/Comey, and the fact that parts of this country are still not ready for a woman president. We need electibility first and foremost - and appealing to the left rather than the middle is not the way to get there.
trixR4kids
New member
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Lol, yeah and stadium deals are generally a good deal for taxpayers.
Lol, yeah and stadium deals are generally a good deal for taxpayers.
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Only when it drives direct economic impact greater than its public investment in the first couple years...and additionally is a top driver of over $2B of permanent redevelopment of a depressed part of the city.
Only when it drives direct economic impact greater than its public investment in the first couple years...and additionally is a top driver of over $2B of permanent redevelopment of a depressed part of the city.
trixR4kids
New member
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
You work at US Bank right? I mean I get the bias but the facts have never been on your side on that one nor are they on this recent discussion.
You work at US Bank right? I mean I get the bias but the facts have never been on your side on that one nor are they on this recent discussion.
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Really? Pls provide any alternate facts or frankly any at all on anything you'd like.
Really? Pls provide any alternate facts or frankly any at all on anything you'd like.
trixR4kids
New member
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Yeah sure, polling has shown that you're wrong about how politicians shouldn't be moving to the left. Single payer and free college are popular ideas right now as is marijuana legalization and a host of other progressive issues. The main candidates for 2020 have adopted all of these issues as part of their platform and Booker/Sanders/Gillibrand have proposed a federal jobs guarantee. Also I like how you didn't answer the question lol.
Yeah sure, polling has shown that you're wrong about how politicians shouldn't be moving to the left. Single payer and free college are popular ideas right now as is marijuana legalization and a host of other progressive issues. The main candidates for 2020 have adopted all of these issues as part of their platform and Booker/Sanders/Gillibrand have proposed a federal jobs guarantee. Also I like how you didn't answer the question lol.
Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.
Oh. You mean like the poll of 17 million primary votes for Clinton to 13 million for Sanders? "My view is that the race wasn’t really all that close and that Sanders never really had that much of a chance at winning." - Nate Silver
And that included just democrats. You include independents and this would truly have been a landslide.
Oh. You mean like the poll of 17 million primary votes for Clinton to 13 million for Sanders? "My view is that the race wasn’t really all that close and that Sanders never really had that much of a chance at winning." - Nate Silver
And that included just democrats. You include independents and this would truly have been a landslide.