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115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

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SJHovey said:
Did you guys actually bother to read the bill?

Here is the operative language:

“(a) In general.—Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, while in disguise, including while wearing a mask, injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both.

That said, it's a ridiculous bill. A fifteen year prison sentence for what amounts to a common assault charge, while wearing a hockey mask. Plus, with language like that, it has the capability of being used in a far broader scope than going after anti-facists.
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So the Tea Partiers who dressed up and railed against Obama, proclaiming that next time they'll bring their guns. Good thinking, GOP. That can never, ever backfire.
 
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bronconick said:
So the Tea Partiers who dressed up and railed against Obama, proclaiming that next time they'll bring their guns. Good thinking, GOP. That can never, ever backfire.
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Nah, those Tea Partiers are just exercising their God given constitutional rights by dressing up for their protests. This bill aims at those who OPPOSE those who are exercising their FREEDOM rights.

Whoever ... injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person ... in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both.
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aparch said:
Nah, those Tea Partiers are just exercising their God given constitutional rights by dressing up for their protests. This bill aims at those who OPPOSE those who are exercising their FREEDOM rights.
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With this Court it will sail through.
 
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A more ruthless Dem (which is likely to happen going forward) will use those "threatens" and "intimidate" lines against their opposition.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Poll: Dem leads in NC district that Trump won by double digits <a href="https://t.co/WuQioMmQkf">https://t.co/WuQioMmQkf</a> <a href="https://t.co/rhnAXk8TPS">pic.twitter.com/rhnAXk8TPS</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1017044607492902917?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Also some polling has Cruz with only a 2 point lead in his race.
 
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SJHovey said:
Did you guys actually bother to read the bill?

Here is the operative language:

“(a) In general.—Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, while in disguise, including while wearing a mask, injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both.

That said, it's a ridiculous bill. A fifteen year prison sentence for what amounts to a common assault charge, while wearing a hockey mask. Plus, with language like that, it has the capability of being used in a far broader scope than going after anti-facists.
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Did you bother to read the bill? It didn't say a minimum of 15 years...but rather a maximum. It just made it against the law.

Very few judges are going lock someone up for years for getting into a fist fight during halloween. But can it really be that terrible to have a law penalizing a gang of masked assailants who leave a minority based on bigotry or woman in the ER?
 
5mn_Major said:
Did you bother to read the bill? It didn't say a minimum of 15 years...but rather a maximum. It just made it against the law.

Very few judges are going lock someone up for years for getting into a fist fight during halloween. But can it really be that terrible to have a law penalizing a gang of masked assailants who leave a minority based on bigotry or woman in the ER?
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Considering it could easily be struck down as unconstitutional absent some way to give the feds that broad of jurisdiction (there's no general Federal police power, which is why 95% of criminal law is handled at the state level), yes it would be that terrible.

You say it wouldn't be used for a Halloween fistfight. B.S. Prosecutors would use it all the time to get plea deals to lesser charges.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Did you bother to read the bill? It didn't say a minimum of 15 years...but rather a maximum. It just made it against the law.

Very few judges are going lock someone up for years for getting into a fist fight during halloween. But can it really be that terrible to have a law penalizing a gang of masked assailants who leave a minority based on bigotry or woman in the ER?
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A) Assault and battery are already crimes in every states' penal codes.
B) This is targeting the anti-fascists, not the fascists. The fascists are beating up the minorities based upon race and sex/gender-based bigotries. The Antifa group is beating up the fascists when they have their fascist rallies/jamborees, so they're bigoted against racists, homophobes and misogynists.
 
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St. Clown said:
A) Assault and battery are already crimes in every states' penal codes.
B) This is targeting the anti-fascists, not the fascists. The fascists are beating up the minorities based upon race and sex/gender-based bigotries. The Antifa group is beating up the fascists when they have their fascist rallies/jamborees, so they're bigoted against racists, homophobes and misogynists.
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Does it really matter?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Does it really matter?
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Look at the title of the law to understand its author's original intent. It matters. Intent matters. Law of Unintentional Consequences also matters, but not as a matter of moral turpitude.
 
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St. Clown said:
Look at the title of the law to understand its author's original intent. It matters. Intent matters. Law of Unintentional Consequences also matters, but not as a matter of moral turpitude.
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Sounds like it is quite critical to stop this. Why?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Sounds like it is quite critical to stop this. Why?
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If an anti-Antifa bill is passed, it's emboldening the fascists, codifying their twisted beliefs into Federal law. Then you add in the question of whether something like this should be federal or state legislation. States, it should be with the states. Where it will then fail when contested in the courts.
 
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St. Clown said:
If an anti-Antifa bill is passed, it's emboldening the fascists, codifying their twisted beliefs into Federal law. Then you add in the question of whether something like this should be federal or state legislation. States, it should be with the states. Where it will then fail when contested in the courts.
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Until it ultimately wins at the Supreme Court.
 
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St. Clown said:
If an anti-Antifa bill is passed, it's emboldening the fascists, codifying their twisted beliefs into Federal law. Then you add in the question of whether something like this should be federal or state legislation. States, it should be with the states. Where it will then fail when contested in the courts.
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These guys will have to change their costumes.
 
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