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No. No they haven't.
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115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.
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No. No they haven't.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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There are young, mansplaining misogynists within the "Bernie Bro" wing. Hence the pejorative moniker.
Again, the far-left and far-right have more in common than they think - Horseshoe Theory.
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There are young, mansplaining misogynists within the "Bernie Bro" wing. Hence the pejorative moniker.
Again, the far-left and far-right have more in common than they think - Horseshoe Theory.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Nonsense. There are people on the left who (correctly) identify our major problems as deriving from economics rather than our (au current) obsession with gender and race. B students off the academic conveyor belt tilt when they hear this and their only recourse is accusations of sexism and racism, which are ridiculous and say more about them than their ostensible targets. The 1% stokes this response because it distracts the left from the real enemy: the rich.
Horseshoe theory is correct, but it describes the social left and right, both of which will resort to authoritarianism to get what they want and neither of which respects freedom or individualism. Both fringes shade off into violent, populist mass psychology which by nature hates the intelligent because they give the lie to all overdetermining ideologies. Both are backed up by the big guns of institutions (business for the right, academia for the left) and those institutions are easily subverted by the plutes to prevent people from finally doing away with them.
Nonsense. There are people on the left who (correctly) identify our major problems as deriving from economics rather than our (au current) obsession with gender and race. B students off the academic conveyor belt tilt when they hear this and their only recourse is accusations of sexism and racism, which are ridiculous and say more about them than their ostensible targets. The 1% stokes this response because it distracts the left from the real enemy: the rich.
Horseshoe theory is correct, but it describes the social left and right, both of which will resort to authoritarianism to get what they want and neither of which respects freedom or individualism. Both fringes shade off into violent, populist mass psychology which by nature hates the intelligent because they give the lie to all overdetermining ideologies. Both are backed up by the big guns of institutions (business for the right, academia for the left) and those institutions are easily subverted by the plutes to prevent people from finally doing away with them.
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trixR4kids
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Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.
Exactly, though obviously there are some sexists on the left.
Exactly, though obviously there are some sexists on the left.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Yes, of course. We are dealing with trends and distributions, not absolutes.
Yes, of course. We are dealing with trends and distributions, not absolutes.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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So you both just admitted that my original statement was correct. Thanks.
So you both just admitted that my original statement was correct. Thanks.
trixR4kids
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Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.
I mean, there are a lot of delusional people claiming sexism from Bernie bros when it wasn't the case too.
I mean, there are a lot of delusional people claiming sexism from Bernie bros when it wasn't the case too.
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Bernies bros engaging in sexism is similarly to 90% of knuckledraggers claiming Obama was a Muslim. 90% of the right doesn't actually think Obama is a Muslim, but since that religion has a negative connotation for them they're happy to label Obama with it.
Likewise there probably isn't widespread sexism amongst Sanders supporters, but during and after the primaries his voters were perfectly willing to latch onto any negative stereotype of Hillary ginned up by Putin and his boys as a way to vent their frustration. I'd look no further than some of Kepler's comments at that time as proof out here on this message board for example. These Bernouts aren't inherently sexist. They used sexism as a vehicle to vent their anger (which doesn't make it any more right).
Bernies bros engaging in sexism is similarly to 90% of knuckledraggers claiming Obama was a Muslim. 90% of the right doesn't actually think Obama is a Muslim, but since that religion has a negative connotation for them they're happy to label Obama with it.
Likewise there probably isn't widespread sexism amongst Sanders supporters, but during and after the primaries his voters were perfectly willing to latch onto any negative stereotype of Hillary ginned up by Putin and his boys as a way to vent their frustration. I'd look no further than some of Kepler's comments at that time as proof out here on this message board for example. These Bernouts aren't inherently sexist. They used sexism as a vehicle to vent their anger (which doesn't make it any more right).
Kepler
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This is so dumb.
You're hiding behind Hillary's gender to mask her loathsomeness; just as she cynically did and continues to do, and just as her supporters sincerely albeit lamely do. Even Jezebel calls BS on this tactic for goodness sake. It's Second Wave Feminism and the rest of the thinking world has moved past it. Please move beyond 1988 and the Comments section of Kos.
"Elizabeth Bathory" is only sexist if you're dim to the significance of the epithet: IT MEANS SHE DRANK BLOOD NOT THAT SHE WAS A WOMAN! Yes, Womens Studies professors at tier-2 schools are still cranking out the canard that every criticism by a male of a female is inherently sexist, just as every criticism of a non-white by a white is inherently racist, but people with a brain and some historical understanding moved past that swill a generation of scholarship ago. That game can't be played any more except with college sophomores and in the pages of Utne Reader.
This is so dumb.
You're hiding behind Hillary's gender to mask her loathsomeness; just as she cynically did and continues to do, and just as her supporters sincerely albeit lamely do. Even Jezebel calls BS on this tactic for goodness sake. It's Second Wave Feminism and the rest of the thinking world has moved past it. Please move beyond 1988 and the Comments section of Kos.
"Elizabeth Bathory" is only sexist if you're dim to the significance of the epithet: IT MEANS SHE DRANK BLOOD NOT THAT SHE WAS A WOMAN! Yes, Womens Studies professors at tier-2 schools are still cranking out the canard that every criticism by a male of a female is inherently sexist, just as every criticism of a non-white by a white is inherently racist, but people with a brain and some historical understanding moved past that swill a generation of scholarship ago. That game can't be played any more except with college sophomores and in the pages of Utne Reader.
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ScoobyDoo
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No, it's 100% accurate.
No, it's 100% accurate.
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Thank you. What Kep did would be akin to someone in 2008 (lets say a John Edwards supporter
) referring to Obama as Uncle Tom, then Buckwheat, and Michelle as Aunt Jamima and then claiming it had no racial implications. Its trying to belittle the person based on something (skin color, gender) that should be out of bounds. This will stay with Kep for the rest of his days and for a guy with a wife and family it was somewhat shocking to read. I personally wouldn't have thought fellow lefties would resort to misogyny as often as they did during that campaign much like how racism amongst conservatives was much more widespread than even I had considered.
Thank you. What Kep did would be akin to someone in 2008 (lets say a John Edwards supporter
) referring to Obama as Uncle Tom, then Buckwheat, and Michelle as Aunt Jamima and then claiming it had no racial implications. Its trying to belittle the person based on something (skin color, gender) that should be out of bounds. This will stay with Kep for the rest of his days and for a guy with a wife and family it was somewhat shocking to read. I personally wouldn't have thought fellow lefties would resort to misogyny as often as they did during that campaign much like how racism amongst conservatives was much more widespread than even I had considered.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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This is so obsolete it's risible. The solace is nobody with a functioning cerebral cortex thinks this tripe anymore, but it was pretty bad in the mid 80s through mid 90s when this type of person held sway in the universities and actual adults believed this stuff.
One of the problems Hillary and her coterie had with the Democratic electorate is that this type of rhetoric is so ancient it just reinforced how out of touch she was. It was a case of "the 80s called and they want their identity fetish back." And obviously it turned off most of the country who rightly perceived it as reverse sexism at worst and cynical manipulative pandering at best.
Thank you. What Kep did would be akin to someone in 2008 (lets say a John Edwards supporter
This is so obsolete it's risible. The solace is nobody with a functioning cerebral cortex thinks this tripe anymore, but it was pretty bad in the mid 80s through mid 90s when this type of person held sway in the universities and actual adults believed this stuff.
One of the problems Hillary and her coterie had with the Democratic electorate is that this type of rhetoric is so ancient it just reinforced how out of touch she was. It was a case of "the 80s called and they want their identity fetish back." And obviously it turned off most of the country who rightly perceived it as reverse sexism at worst and cynical manipulative pandering at best.
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ScoobyDoo
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Not taking it that far. I don't think Kepler is racist or sexist. I think he's blind to how much of it really exists.
Not taking it that far. I don't think Kepler is racist or sexist. I think he's blind to how much of it really exists.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I'm sure I've made sexist comments sometime -- I'm a fifty year old man, I was born into that world. But Rover is trying to insinuate that my criticisms of Hillary were systematically sexist. That's a deliberate debate strategy to discredit one critic and create a chilling effect on others. It's rhetorical authoritarianism. F-ck that and f-ck him for playing that old, worn, haggard* card.
* That was just for you, Rover. With kisses.
I'm sure I've made sexist comments sometime -- I'm a fifty year old man, I was born into that world. But Rover is trying to insinuate that my criticisms of Hillary were systematically sexist. That's a deliberate debate strategy to discredit one critic and create a chilling effect on others. It's rhetorical authoritarianism. F-ck that and f-ck him for playing that old, worn, haggard* card.
* That was just for you, Rover. With kisses.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Give me a number. For racism, I said 1% on the left, not zero. And I said 19% of the right. For sexism it's higher and for homophobia it's still depressingly high because of The Old Myth in the Sky.
Nobody is arguing zero.
Give me a number. For racism, I said 1% on the left, not zero. And I said 19% of the right. For sexism it's higher and for homophobia it's still depressingly high because of The Old Myth in the Sky.
Nobody is arguing zero.
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ScoobyDoo
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I would take all your numbers and raise them at least 10%,
I would take all your numbers and raise them at least 10%,
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A long time ago I was in a heated political discussion with Bob Gray and wrote something that he took to be an insult to his family. I don't remember what exactly, but its not my intention to attack the man personally so I apologized in the thread to him which he graciously accepted. The point being everyone does something wrong sometimes. I personally admit I'm wrong about as often as Haley's Comet shows up, but when it happens you man up and do the right thing.
Kep, you engaged in sexist rhetoric in 2016 even though you aren't personally sexist. I don't think you actually have a problem with female candidates and women in general but your comments sure came across the wrong way regardless of your intent. So did many a Sanders supporter. Own it. Apologize and then move on. Really, its not that hard. I supported Hillary in 2008 and Obama won. If you can find an instance where I made fun of the man's skin color out there please post a link to it. I can save you the trouble though, as there's nothing to find.
A long time ago I was in a heated political discussion with Bob Gray and wrote something that he took to be an insult to his family. I don't remember what exactly, but its not my intention to attack the man personally so I apologized in the thread to him which he graciously accepted. The point being everyone does something wrong sometimes. I personally admit I'm wrong about as often as Haley's Comet shows up, but when it happens you man up and do the right thing.
Kep, you engaged in sexist rhetoric in 2016 even though you aren't personally sexist. I don't think you actually have a problem with female candidates and women in general but your comments sure came across the wrong way regardless of your intent. So did many a Sanders supporter. Own it. Apologize and then move on. Really, its not that hard. I supported Hillary in 2008 and Obama won. If you can find an instance where I made fun of the man's skin color out there please post a link to it. I can save you the trouble though, as there's nothing to find.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Nope, and you're being a borderline creep at this moment for suggesting something that I don't think you actually believe. I'd say nice try but it's not nice at all, it's something I would expect from a Michelle Malkin or a Laura Ingraham.
She lost. Please, please, please get over it and start looking at tomorrow. We need your help and we don't have time for your bullsh-t.
Nope, and you're being a borderline creep at this moment for suggesting something that I don't think you actually believe. I'd say nice try but it's not nice at all, it's something I would expect from a Michelle Malkin or a Laura Ingraham.
She lost. Please, please, please get over it and start looking at tomorrow. We need your help and we don't have time for your bullsh-t.
ScoobyDoo
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No. Liberals need to learn. They haven't learned anything yet. And that, right there, is the crux of the problem.
No. Liberals need to learn. They haven't learned anything yet. And that, right there, is the crux of the problem.
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