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10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Not expecting any 10 goal games for DU this weekend. Mel Pearson obviously has set a new tone for Tech and Denver's big guns will need to be on their game for the Pios to come home with 4 points.

Bemidji put up 6 goals Friday. This Tech team has the potential for high scoring games both ways, very weak on D and potentially explosive O. It's very fun to watch, though. Split: 5-2 DU, 5-3 Tech (who playedat least twice as well on Saturday last week).
 
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Yeah, Saturday's game wasn't like last year where we just made opposing goalies look good with low totals of mostly crappy shots. The BSU goalie (Walsh?) was quite good, and made the difference in the game by holding Tech to one goal.

Where is DU's goalie situation at this weekend?
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Long term? It has been only a few months. You might have an argument in 15 years. This is a grudge that deserves to be held for many, many years.
This scares me. I don't like grudges! Can you maybe limit it to just 2-3 years? Please???
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Yeah, Saturday's game wasn't like last year where we just made opposing goalies look good with low totals of mostly crappy shots. The BSU goalie (Walsh?) was quite good, and made the difference in the game by holding Tech to one goal.

Where is DU's goalie situation at this weekend?
Assuming no unexpected injuries, Adam Murray to start with Juho Olkinuora as back up. Juho made saves on 2 shots last Saturday so his save % is 1.00.:)
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Yeah, Saturday's game wasn't like last year where we just made opposing goalies look good with low totals of mostly crappy shots. The BSU goalie (Walsh?) was quite good, and made the difference in the game by holding Tech to one goal.

Where is DU's goalie situation at this weekend?
Murray gets the starts. He's played very well this season except for three minutes at Boston University where he had a meltdown.

Juno Olkinuora aka "The Finnish Line," is back from his NCAA three game vacation. He's looked very good in his appearances.

The story for DU this season is the seven man rotation on the blueline. They have been incredible. DU will go with the seven D again this weekend.

Anyone who took Laleggia in fantasy hockey is going to do very well. I believe he's now on DU's #1 PP unit.
 
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Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

and it appears Tech will swap out J Johnstone (sick) for Milos Gordic (returns from surgery for first game action) this weekend.
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

I was referring to Denver being a competitive media market.

So you're saying folks are more likely to go a DU game with Denver in the NaCHo because you can now play Miami and Western at your rink on a regular basis? Huh? Every other team in the NaCHo bowl was already with you in the WCHA and that wasn't good enough. If folks in Denver would rather watch the Avs or Nuggets bouncy ball, who you play has nothing to do with getting the Pioneers more attention in "a competitive media market." Folks either want to watch Pioneer hockey or they don't. About 1% of your paid gate count is attending your home games because of who is visiting. Unless you're going to play CC or Air Force 10 times a year to fill out your huge NC schedule, who is in the Visitor's bench doesn't matter.

Sorry I'm not buying that this had anything to do with the media. If it did, just increase your marketing budget. You can now return to Booneville in peace and count your money.
"Dollar bills, dollar bills..." ~ Roy "Tin Cup" McAvoy

Ryan J
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

So you're saying folks are more likely to go a DU game with Denver in the NaCHo because you can now play Miami and Western at your rink on a regular basis? Huh? Every other team in the NaCHo bowl was already with you in the WCHA and that wasn't good enough. If folks in Denver would rather watch the Avs or Nuggets bouncy ball, who you play has nothing to do with getting the Pioneers more attention in "a competitive media market." Folks either want to watch Pioneer hockey or they don't. About 1% of your paid gate count is attending your home games because of who is visiting. Unless you're going to play CC or Air Force 10 times a year to fill out your huge NC schedule, who is in the Visitor's bench doesn't matter.

Sorry I'm not buying that this had anything to do with the media. If it did, just increase your marketing budget. You can now return to Booneville in peace and count your money.
"Dollar bills, dollar bills..." ~ Roy "Tin Cup" McAvoy

Ryan J
You don't actually expect them to acknowlege the stupidity and selfishness that their athletic department has shown, do you? They will just keep lying to everyone, including themselves, and pretend that they didn't do anything wrong. A sad state for a once respected program.
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

You don't actually expect them to acknowlege the stupidity and selfishness that their athletic department has shown, do you? They will just keep lying to everyone, including themselves, and pretend that they didn't do anything wrong. A sad state for a once respected program.

Face it, they are Notre Dame wanna be's and the defending the brand BS was just an excuse to do what they decided they wanted to do, It has nothing to do with the empty seats. The argument that playing a team with a poor record was hurting them is spurious. There will always be teams with poor records in every league. Having said that it's their right to play in any league they want to, so DU, don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
 
You don't actually expect them to acknowlege the stupidity and selfishness that their athletic department has shown, do you? They will just keep lying to everyone, including themselves, and pretend that they didn't do anything wrong. A sad state for a once respected program.

So you're saying folks are more likely to go a DU game with Denver in the NaCHo because you can now play Miami and Western at your rink on a regular basis? Huh? Every other team in the NaCHo bowl was already with you in the WCHA and that wasn't good enough.

Here, I'll explain it you. Let's compare a DU home schedule in the NCHC versus a post-BTHC WCHA. We'll assume the same 14-game home conference schedule.

NCHC -
CC - 2/year either way.
UMD - 2/year. Interesting to fans.
UNO - 2/year. Interesting to fans (remember, Nebraska's a neighbor).
UND - 2/year. Interesting to fans.
SCSU - 2/year. Moderately interesting.
Miami - 2/year. Moderately interesting.
Western Michigan - 2/year. Not interesting.

No Change WCHA -
CC - 2/year either way.
UMD - 1.5/year. Interesting to fans.
UNO - 1.5/year. Interesting to fans
UND - 1.5/year. Interesting to fans.
SCSU - 1.5/year. Moderately interesting.
Mankato - 1.5/year. Not interesting.
Bemidji - 1.5/year. Not interesting.
Alaska-Anchorage - 1.5/year. Not interesting.
Michigan Tech - 1.5/year. Not interesting.

The 1.5/year reflects the fact that in a 10-team WCHA, assuming DU and CC would still play 4 times per year, the rest of the conference's teams would skip Denver every 4th year on average (you'd only see 6 of the other 8 in your house every year).

So let's tally it up, excluding CC (a constant).

The new look WCHA would have given DU fans (on average):
4.5 Interesting Games
1.5 Moderately Interesting Games
6 Not Interesting Games

The NCHC gives DU fans:
6 Interesting Games
4 Moderately Interesting Games
2 Not Interesting Games

It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's honest. It'll put butts in the stands, because it's a more fun schedule for the fans. DU knows what its fans want to see, just like presumably every other school does as well.
 
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Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Here, I'll explain it you. Let's compare a DU home schedule in the NCHC versus a post-BTHC WCHA. We'll assume the same 14-game home conference schedule.

blah blah blah

It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's honest. It'll put butts in the stands, because it's a more fun schedule for the fans. DU knows what its fans want to see, just like presumably every other school does as well.
You want to tell me how SCSU and UMD or UNO (remember this is UNO, NOT the Huskers) or whoever...won't end up in the not interesting category in 5 years? You rationale is shortsighted to say the least. When someone becomes the doormat your fans will again stop caring about certain games. Your fans are fickle and if you can't fill your building when you're considered to be one of the best teams in the country regardless of the opponent, the opponent isn't your problem.
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

You want to tell me how SCSU and UMD or UNO (remember this is UNO, NOT the Huskers) or whoever...won't end up in the not interesting category in 5 years? You rationale is shortsighted to say the least. When someone becomes the doormat your fans will again stop caring about certain games. Your fans are fickle and if you can't fill your building when you're considered to be one of the best teams in the country regardless of the opponent, the opponent isn't your problem.

Nah, that's not true. Some teams are always more interesting. When Minnesota and Wisconsin have bad years, they are still fun to see. The same will be true for North Dakota and Nebraska-Omaha (it's still Nebraska - our dislike of Nebraska in Colorado isn't limited to the football team), and has been true for Duluth. There are intangibles of fan interest here that you guys just choose to ignore. But it's why we have conferences and build rivalries - to bridge the bad years. Which is also why a new conference made sense - there's no sense of attachment to at least 4 of the teams in today's WCHA. There is some minor fluctuation between which teams are "interesting" from year to year, I'll grant you that. But it isn't solely related to who's winning and who's not. CC sold out the old barn at DU when they were the worst team in the country, and I'd be willing to bet that Mankato still wouldn't if they were the best (or at least, not as easily). You guys go on and on about how nobody is honest about their motives. I'll be honest - we (the NCHC, not DU) just don't care about you. Or at least, we'd rather play somebody else. And now we have that chance.

It isn't like we have to guess on this. We have years of ticket sales data to look back on. You seriously think nobody's done that? You think it's coincidence that a Bemidji ticket costs less than a North Dakota ticket? Supply and demand! Supply is fixed. And I'm trying to tell you about the demand; you just don't like what you're hearing.


EDIT: Back on hockey, I predict a split.

Oh also, an aside...you're probably right the the opponent isn't the problem per se, but it doesn't help either. College sports (or any weekend sports, except for the Broncos) have a hard time in Colorado. Colorado football's move to the PAC was also about getting more "like-minded" opponents...but it's also true that attendance still won't be great. The hope is that it'll be better. The reason, as I think somebody pointed out, is simple. We leave town on weekends. If you've ever sat in I-70 traffic on a Sunday afternoon, you know what I'm talking about. It's easy to go to a Friday game. But even CC/DU season ticket holders miss plenty of Saturday games, because they're up in the hills. Sometimes you just can't throw out a whole weekend for a Saturday evening anything, not in Colorado. We're active people -we like to do as much as we like to watch. I am more likely to not go to the mountains for a North Dakota weekend, though. Mankato or Tech, on the other hand, are expendable. This isn't some abstract hypothetical, it's a real choice I (and a lot of Colorado fans) have to make almost every week. That's just part of living here - tough choices between a lot of good recreation options! :)
 
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Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Nah, that's not true. Some teams are always more interesting. When Minnesota and Wisconsin have bad years, they are still fun to see. The same will be true for North Dakota and Nebraska-Omaha (it's still Nebraska - our dislike of Nebraska in Colorado isn't limited to the football team), and has been true for Duluth. There are intangibles of fan interest here that you guys just choose to ignore. But it's why we have conferences and build rivalries - to bridge the bad years. Which is also why a new conference made sense - there's no sense of attachment to at least 4 of the teams in today's WCHA. There is some minor fluctuation between which teams are "interesting" from year to year, I'll grant you that. But it isn't solely related to who's winning and who's not. CC sold out the old barn at DU when they were the worst team in the country, and I'd be willing to bet that Mankato still wouldn't if they were the best (or at least, not as easily). You guys go on and on about how nobody is honest about their motives. I'll be honest - we (the NCHC, not DU) just don't care about you. Or at least, we'd rather play somebody else. And now we have that chance.

It isn't like we have to guess on this. We have years of ticket sales data to look back on. You seriously think nobody's done that? You think it's coincidence that a Bemidji ticket costs less than a North Dakota ticket? Supply and demand! Supply is fixed. And I'm trying to tell you about the demand; you just don't like what you're hearing.
Nice argument except you DEFINITELY don't have years of ticket sale information for Bemidji State...anyway. I can understand that you have no attachment to UAA, BSU, & MSUM but to say that no one cares about Michigan Tech is just absurd. If you don't care about Michigan Tech than some day you won't care about whoever is at the bottom of the NCHC, especially if it's someone like UMD, UNO, or SCSU is there. Michigan Tech used to be a force and I'm sure DU fans cared about that series well into the early 90s. The fact that you're willing to throw that away tells me a lot about DU and their fans. You don't think that can happen with UMD, SCSU, or anyone else that ends up stuck in the bottom is laughable. Beyond UND & CC, no one will care to go watch DU against whoever has sucked for the last few years...its the nature of the quality of fans you have. A nationally ranked college team should not require top 5 opponent to get the house rocking. The fact that its a conference opponent and the game matters should be enough...especially when the product is as exciting as DU. MTU, BSU, UAA & MSUM are not the same as playing Austin Peay, San Jose State, Western Kentucky, etc.
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Tech is not really playing with any different players than they did last year and one of the top scorers is out. Second DU has so much talent they need a steam shovel to carry it out. DU sweeps easily.
 
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Nice argument except you DEFINITELY don't have years of ticket sale information for Bemidji State...anyway. I can understand that you have no attachment to UAA, BSU, & MSUM but to say that no one cares about Michigan Tech is just absurd. If you don't care about Michigan Tech than some day you won't care about whoever is at the bottom of the NCHC, especially if it's someone like UMD, UNO, or SCSU is there. Michigan Tech used to be a force and I'm sure DU fans cared about that series well into the early 90s. The fact that you're willing to throw that away tells me a lot about DU and their fans. You don't think that can happen with UMD, SCSU, or anyone else that ends up stuck in the bottom is laughable.

It could happen to SCSU, for sure (although most folks still know of St. Cloud, the city, if not the school/team). Miami, even. Duluth I doubt. But it wouldn't change the numbers.

Let's say I demote Miami and SCSU to "Not Interesting" and demote Duluth to "Moderately Interesting." I'd still have more "Interesting" games on that list per season with a 14-game NCHC home schedule than would be in a 10-team WCHA home schedule. That's all that matters.

UMD, and SCSU would be in both. Sure, we'd be trading 2 games against each per year (NCHC) for only 1.5 on average (WCHA). But who would would the extra games be against? It would just as likely be Tech, Bemidji, Mankato, or Anchorage. And like I said before, even if those schools are winning - make them the best in the country - there's still no connection, and the average fan wouldn't care. I'd still rather play more games against UND, and even UNO. You can't have a 4 team league, so there had to be a few others. I can't speak for everybody, but I think for DU and CC, the mix is about as good as we could have gotten.

College hockey is a niche thing, but I think some of you guys greatly overestimate how much of the arena is made up of that niche of regular college hockey followers. I'd bet less than a third of fans at any given game in Colorado - DU, CC, or Air Force - could tell you where Michigan Tech was from, whether they had any history as a good team, even whether they're good that year. Maybe it's different out there, but here, there's a cadre of regulars, but most fans are more of the casual variety. Casual hockey fans generally, who want to check out the college game...DU and CC both get a lot of fans who are maybe Avalanche regulars, very hockey knowledgeable, but may not have a clue about the college game. Those are the ones who are going to be more interested in Duluth (Minnesota in the name), Miami (an actual real D-1 school that some non-hockey people have heard of), North Dakota, or Nebraska-Omaha (neighborly love).

It's hard to choose what to do here. You've got the Avs, college hockey, and the mountains, just to name a few. Plus actually playing some hockey. And an actual city full of activities, too (I feel sort of guilty that the Colorado Symphony is suffering - but I just can't seem to squeeze in more than a couple concerts per winter). I've been trying for years to get up to a Colorado Eagles (ECHL) game, and I've still never seen one. There's just too much going on every single weekend. Maybe I'll make that happen this season - no ski pass for me, not this year. But welcome to Colorado, the winter wonderland - we can pick and choose our activities, so they'd better be good if you want to draw a crowd.

Anyways, let's get back to talking about the series at hand. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the conferences. I don't think you guys have much of an understanding of hockey/life in Colorado, and why a change might be good in our eyes. We live in different worlds.
 
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Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Finally!! The "We have better things to do than support our team!" argument. Well struck!
 
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Finally!! The "We have better things to do than support our team!" argument. Well struck!
I love that one! It's just pathetic that DU is blaming 6 games against MTU, BSU, MSUM, UAA for attendance troubles when their team is a force and an exciting team to watch against just about anyone.
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Fun fact:

Every Michigan Tech visit in the past two years has been a better draw than every St. Cloud State and Nebraska-Omaha visit.

2/19/2011 Michigan Tech 6146
2/20/2010 Michigan Tech 5875
2/18/2011 Michigan Tech 5625
2/19/2010 Michigan Tech 5625
3/5/2011 St. Cloud State 5569
3/4/2011 St. Cloud State 5398
1/1/2010 Nebraska-Omaha 5250
11/27/2009 St. Cloud State 4753
11/28/2009 St. Cloud State 4747
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

Fun fact:

Every Michigan Tech visit in the past two years has been a better draw than every St. Cloud State and Nebraska-Omaha visit.

2/19/2011 Michigan Tech 6146
2/20/2010 Michigan Tech 5875
2/18/2011 Michigan Tech 5625
2/19/2010 Michigan Tech 5625
3/5/2011 St. Cloud State 5569
3/4/2011 St. Cloud State 5398
1/1/2010 Nebraska-Omaha 5250
11/27/2009 St. Cloud State 4753
11/28/2009 St. Cloud State 4747
oh I'm sure thats just because MTU weekends are those where they have give aways and huge discounts and I'm sure half of those people that paid never showed up...:rolleyes:
 
Re: 10/28-10/29 Michigan Tech vs. Denver - Don't Leave without your Ice Cream

oh I'm sure thats just because MTU weekends are those where they have give aways and huge discounts and I'm sure half of those people that paid never showed up...:rolleyes:

The skiing was bad those weekends.
 
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