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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Guns, Guns, And More Guns

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Kepler said:
Not really. They respond. It's pretty much all anybody can do against a surprise attack.

It's the old Nero Wolfe line: I cannot take the job to prevent your murder, but I will take the job to catch the murderer. Gun control and access control can stop a shooting. The physical responders can only stop some murders from turning into more.
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Allowing teachers to pack would provide another level of protection. Not only would shooters either stay away or get shot dead, students would be inspired to see their teachers saving lives with guns and would become packers themselves, possibly saving untold lives in the future. A pyramid scheme of safety that really really works!
 
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burd said:
Allowing teachers to pack would provide another level of protection. Not only would shooters either stay away or get shot dead, students would be inspired to see their teachers saving lives with guns and would become packers themselves, possibly saving untold lives in the future. A pyramid scheme of safety that really really works!
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I say we start a pilot program in every red district in the country. Just let me move my daughter first.
 
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burd said:
Allowing teachers to pack would provide another level of protection. Not only would shooters either stay away or get shot dead, students would be inspired to see their teachers saving lives with guns and would become packers themselves, possibly saving untold lives in the future. A pyramid scheme of safety that really really works!
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The gun industry want's to award you with a special NRA tribute with that idea.
 
burd said:
Allowing teachers to pack would provide another level of protection. Not only would shooters either stay away or get shot dead, students would be inspired to see their teachers saving lives with guns and would become packers themselves, possibly saving untold lives in the future. A pyramid scheme of safety that really really works!
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EEK! Put guns in the school - fine. Not in the classroom.
 
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burd said:
Allowing teachers to pack would provide another level of protection. Not only would shooters either stay away or get shot dead, students would be inspired to see their teachers saving lives with guns and would become packers themselves, possibly saving untold lives in the future. A pyramid scheme of safety that really really works!
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Why does no one want to focus on the associated responsibility that comes with such a privilege? Weapon usage is a last resort, and it is important for all carriers to understand the proper usage of the same, including regular visits to practice ranges. Fictitious media commonly portrays the "gotta have it" mentality, and it's pushed on so many that the notion of irresponsible usage seems to take over in people's minds. Not only would I want to see armed people everywhere, but I would also encourage rifle clubs, where students would be able to learn not only to care for the weapon, how to carry adn use it responsibly, but also have a way to practice marksmanship.
 
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5mn_Major said:
How many deaths before we do something about keeping guns out of schools? Would another 100 be enough?
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They are already gun-free zones. Yes, you have to look at that also. Yes, it hurts. Yes, you might have to admit that gun-free zones are targets in this mess.
 
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Brenthoven said:
They are already gun-free zones. Yes, you have to look at that also. Yes, it hurts. Yes, you might have to admit that gun-free zones are targets in this mess.
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Guess so.

Sorry, but guns are the problem. We must get them off the streets permanently.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Guess so.

Sorry, but guns are the problem. We must get them off the streets permanently.
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That latter part, no. People who are allowed to get the guns? Yes, I've been open to that. Banning guns completely is NOT an option. Period. It is not logistically possible without a complete military takeover, and if you are okay with that? I don't want to know you.
 
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Brenthoven said:
That latter part, no. People who are allowed to get the guns? Yes, I've been open to that. Banning guns completely is NOT an option. Period. It is not logistically possible without a complete military takeover, and if you are okay with that? I don't want to know you.
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The Constitution requires us to allow people to own guns. Unlike many in the world, American society is held captive.

But total freedom is not required for a well regulated militia - keep them at home. We've decided you can't carry a gun into a bank or on an airplane. That doesn't infringe on a well regulated militia. We've decided that you can't own a rocket launcher. That doesn't infringe on a well regulated militia. We've decided that children can't have guns. That doesn't infringe on a well regulated militia. But for some reason when I go shopping for socks...some dude can put my life in danger because he wants to. And somehow that's guaranteeing a well regulated militia. We need guns off the streets.
 
Brenthoven said:
They are already gun-free zones. Yes, you have to look at that also. Yes, it hurts. Yes, you might have to admit that gun-free zones are targets in this mess.
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Gun free zones are probably safer in general — the purpose is to prevent accidental shootings and to keep confrontations from escalating to shootings. Of course a mass shooting psycho isn’t going to care about laws.

Yes, schools are a target for mass shootings (which is a small part of gun violence). Other than the mass shooting outliers, school shootings down since the rise in “gun free zones”
 
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Brenthoven said:
That latter part, no. People who are allowed to get the guns? Yes, I've been open to that. Banning guns completely is NOT an option. Period. It is not logistically possible without a complete military takeover, and if you are okay with that? I don't want to know you.
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So the alternative is to take the right of liberty away from suspected people? How is that not unconstitutional?

If we are really interested in reducing deaths, then we should use the "well regulated militia" and restrict magazine size and fire rate. If the most recent shooter had a better gun, he would have been able to take out more people- but we are never going to do anything about that. Once again, dealing with "mental health" is a sign for doing exactly nothing, because nothing realistic can be done from that angle. When there's a shooting in your school by the neighbor kid that you never suspected of being bad, but you knew them from the local shooting club, maybe you will wake up and get that.
 
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I would point out two things:
The "resource officer" had to shoot the person because he brought a gun to the school in the first place.

The presence of that armed officer did not deter the shooter in any way - he still brought a gun to campus and started shooting people.
 
ticapnews said:
I would point out two things:
The "resource officer" had to shoot the person because he brought a gun to the school in the first place.

The presence of that armed officer did not deter the shooter in any way - he still brought a gun to campus and started shooting people.
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But he only shot twice (or was it thrice?) before being permanently stopped.
 
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joecct said:
But he only shot twice (or was it thrice?) before being permanently stopped.
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So we're going to celebrate the fact that he's a bad shooter with a handgun? YAY! He brought a gun to school, but it was only a handgun and he only shot three times! YAY!

Meanwhile in the Netherlands

School attack in The Netherlands – no one gets hurt because it isn’t the US

A ‘school attack in The Netherlands’ is not exactly the most common headline you see in the news. You expect to see that sort of news in other countries *cough* USA *cough*. But we are living in strange times… This last Tuesday a mentally-ill 44-year-old man went to a school wielding two knives. Obviously posing a threat, the students used their backpacks to scare off the attacker. The man, after being barraged by a volley of backpacks filled with heavy science books, promptly walked away from the school.
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There's surveillance footage of the guy being pummeled with backpacks. He is currently in police custody.
 
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ticapnews said:
So we're going to celebrate the fact that he's a bad shooter with a handgun? YAY! He brought a gun to school, but it was only a handgun and he only shot three times! YAY!

Meanwhile in the Netherlands



There's surveillance footage of the guy being pummeled with backpacks. He is currently in police custody.
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I seem to recall flaggy suggesting after Sandy Hook that a deranged person could attack a school with knives and get a similar result. Some of us logically called him on that, and now there's real proof.
 
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