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0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

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dxmnkd316 said:
I’d go with 7-10 at the most for an AR. A sort of inverse proportion to its stopping power. I could be talked into five.
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I think 5 is all you can have in a clip for hunting in Maine, maybe its 3? An AR has more stopping power than Other hunting rifles?

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It certain doesn’t compared to a .30-06. I don’t think I said that an AR has more stopping power compared to anything else.

But there’s an upper limit beyond which it’s just silly to draw distinctions. An AR and .30-06 are both on the same plane when it comes to lethality of a single shot. And you don’t see a lot of people with .30-06 clips that can carry 30 rounds. Why? Because it’s just unnecessarily or it’s regulated. Also, your shoulder might fall off.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It certain doesn’t compared to a .30-06. I don’t think I said that an AR has more stopping power compared to anything else.

But there’s an upper limit beyond which it’s just silly to draw distinctions. An AR and .30-06 are both on the same plane when it comes to lethality of a single shot. And you don’t see a lot of people with .30-06 clips that can carry 30 rounds. Why? Because it’s just unnecessarily or it’s regulated. Also, your shoulder might fall off.
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I dont disagree but what's to stop someone from having 30 rd clip for an .06, or any other rifle

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I don’t know. Maybe nothing. There probably should be laws. That’s kind of the point we’re trying to make.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I don’t know. Maybe nothing. There probably should be laws. That’s kind of the point we’re trying to make.
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My point the talk about " assault rifles " is pointless when other rifles are just as lethal. If you are going make laws, make them that work

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I'd rather see laws that target the gun users, not the guns themselves, at least at this point in time. As dx said, idiot gun owners are a problem. So, let's fix that part first.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I'd rather see laws that target the gun users, not the guns themselves, at least at this point in time. As dx said, idiot gun owners are a problem. So, let's fix that part first.
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If I can only hunt with 3 or 5 rounds, why not limit rifles to 3 or 5 rounds, period

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walrus said:
If I can only hunt with 3 or 5 rounds, why not limit rifles to 3 or 5 rounds, period

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Well, the top speed limit in this country is 75, I think. So why have cars that can do twice that? Yes, it's dck-swinging to brag about, nothing more, but the question remains the same, you know? I'm sure there is technology that can cap a top speed in a car while keeping the rest of performance intact.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Well, the top speed limit in this country is 75, I think. So why have cars that can do twice that? Yes, it's dck-swinging to brag about, nothing more, but the question remains the same, you know? I'm sure there is technology that can cap a top speed in a car while keeping the rest of performance intact.
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It's called a governor. Trucks have them. Why not put breathalyzer on all cars also.? We could do that all day long.

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dxmnkd316 said:
I don’t know. Maybe nothing. There probably should be laws. That’s kind of the point we’re trying to make.
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The laws should be about clip and magazine size. More likely to be effective in killing less people and less likely to be unconstitutional.

'Course, those 3% of people that own 50% of the guns in the nation also already have two dozen 30 round clips in their garage, but nothing's perfect.
 
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bronconick said:
The laws should be about clip and magazine size. More likely to be effective in killing less people and less likely to be unconstitutional.

'Course, those 3% of people that own 50% of the guns in the nation also already have two dozen 30 round clips in their garage, but nothing's perfect.
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100% agree. So the guys who need to stroke their guns can still feel all manly. Or something. But with less risk.
 
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walrus said:
It's called a governor. Trucks have them. Why not put breathalyzer on all cars also.? We could do that all day long.

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They do, if you get (x) amount of DUI's.

And going back to stroking guns and clip size, it goes back to the owner. If a responsible owner wants to unload a 15, 20, 30, whatever round clip at a paper target at the range, go for it. Or, if in a rural area (if it's legal) blow up a pumpkin or whatever with that many rounds, fine. :)

Edit: back to breathalyzers: I wish bars could have them, but the insurance/liability is just too great, which stinks.
 
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Brenthoven said:
They do, if you get (x) amount of DUI's.

And going back to stroking guns and clip size, it goes back to the owner. If a responsible owner wants to unload a 15, 20, 30, whatever round clip at a paper target at the range, go for it. Or, if in a rural area (if it's legal) blow up a pumpkin or whatever with that many rounds, fine. :)

Edit: back to breathalyzers: I wish bars could have them, but the insurance/liability is just too great, which stinks.
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Why should bars have them, it's your responsibility, just like you think about guns.

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walrus said:
Why should bars have them, it's your responsibility, just like you think about guns.

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I would love bars to have them, because then people can use them and make smarter decisions. "Oh, crap, I just blew (x). I thought I was fine. Guess I will call a cab."

That being said, the responsibility of the bar increases quite a bit, given that the breathalyzers have to be calibrated correctly, can't be contaminated, etc etc.

I've used the ones that are commercially available for the lulz. They are calibrated, have used designated drivers for the initial test, and there was once or twice I felt fine, but blew a .08 which is considered "legally drunk" in MN. Needless to say, I crashed at the host's that night.
 
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Aside from a naked cite to the 2nd A, what is the rationale behind allowing me to own an AR 15?
 
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burd said:
Aside from a naked cite to the 2nd A, what is the rationale behind allowing me to own an AR 15?
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Because it's the same thing as any other semi auto rifle?

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