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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

Given the comments regarding tiring in the 2nd/3rd (I agree here) - why do we think that is a continued issue?

It could also be it is more tiresome for smaller guys to go max effort when going against 6’6” big guys that other teams may have.

Curious what others think - if it’s just conditioning that’s sometime that should have been addressed by the coaching I would think…

As Grouch notes it is a feature of the MS7 years. Paul Chapman has been the strength and conditioning coach for 24 years (which includes plenty of NCAA runs) so I don't think it is that program.

Conditioning sucks. Nobody loves dry land practice, stadium stairs, etc. that all start with off season work and then captains practices. Then you get on the ice and no puck practices suck. It is a necessary grind and even elite athletes it needs to be demanded and encouraged and inspired. "The legs feed the wolf"... "you aren't going to have anything in the 3rd period if you don't build your legs now"... these aren't just made up lines in a movie.

I don't think it is a size problem. I don't think it is a talent problem. I don't think it is a will problem. The coach doesn't demand better so the players aren't putting in enough time. They are reaching the bar he is establishing.



Complete Side note, skating in the dark in Norway wasn't made up for a movie... https://www.si.com/olympics/2014/10/28/reminder-what-we-can-be-1980-us-olympic-hockey-team-si-60

There was a moment of truth for this team. A moment when they became one. It was back in September of 1979 when they were playing a game in Norway. It ended in a 4-4 tie, and Brooks, to say the least, was dissatisfied. "We're going to skate some time today," he told them afterward. Then he sent them back onto the ice.​
Forward Dave Silk recalls it this way: "There were 30 or 40 people still in the stands. First they thought we were putting on a skating exhibition, and they cheered. After a while they realized the coach was mad at us for not playing hard, and they booed. Then they got bored and left. Then the workers got bored, and they turned off the lights."​
Doing Herbies in the dark ... it's terrifying. But they did them. Schneider happened to have been thrown out of the game, and he had already changed into his street clothes. He was watching in horror as his teammates went up and back, up and back. Again and again and again. But instead of feeling reprieved, he felt guilty. "Should I get my skates on, Patty?" he asked Assistant Coach Craig Patrick. "Cool it, Buzz," Patrick replied.​
It ended at last, and Brooks had the players coast slowly around the rink so that the lactic acid could work itself out of their muscles. And that was when Forward Mark Johnson broke his stick over the boards. Mark Johnson, who made the team go. Mark Johnson, who was its hardest worker, its smartest player. Mark Johnson, whom Brooks never, ever had to yell at. And you know what Brooks said--screamed--after skating those kids within an inch of their lives? "If I ever see a kid hit a stick on the boards again, I'll skate you till you die!" They believed him. And they would have died, just to spite him. Says Silk, "I can remember times when I was so mad at him I tried to skate so hard I'd collapse, so I could say to him, 'See what you did?' " But they weren't an all-star team anymore. They were together in this, all for one. And Brooks was the enemy. And don't think he didn't know it. It was a lonely year by design, all right.​
Yes it is a different time. Players transfer. Playing on an Olympic team is different. Still if he hadn't demanded more they wouldn't have put in the work. Today you need to inspire more rather than demand and still you need to set a bar and challenge the team to exceed it.
 
As Grouch notes it is a feature of the MS7 years. Paul Chapman has been the strength and conditioning coach for 24 years (which includes plenty of NCAA runs) so I don't think it is that program.

Conditioning sucks. Nobody loves dry land practice, stadium stairs, etc. that all start with off season work and then captains practices. Then you get on the ice and no puck practices suck. It is a necessary grind and even elite athletes it needs to be demanded and encouraged and inspired. "The legs feed the wolf"... "you aren't going to have anything in the 3rd period if you don't build your legs now"... these aren't just made up lines in a movie.

I don't think it is a size problem. I don't think it is a talent problem. I don't think it is a will problem. The coach doesn't demand better so the players aren't putting in enough time. They are reaching the bar he is establishing.



Complete Side note, skating in the dark in Norway wasn't made up for a movie... https://www.si.com/olympics/2014/10/28/reminder-what-we-can-be-1980-us-olympic-hockey-team-si-60

There was a moment of truth for this team. A moment when they became one. It was back in September of 1979 when they were playing a game in Norway. It ended in a 4-4 tie, and Brooks, to say the least, was dissatisfied. "We're going to skate some time today," he told them afterward. Then he sent them back onto the ice.​
Forward Dave Silk recalls it this way: "There were 30 or 40 people still in the stands. First they thought we were putting on a skating exhibition, and they cheered. After a while they realized the coach was mad at us for not playing hard, and they booed. Then they got bored and left. Then the workers got bored, and they turned off the lights."​
Doing Herbies in the dark ... it's terrifying. But they did them. Schneider happened to have been thrown out of the game, and he had already changed into his street clothes. He was watching in horror as his teammates went up and back, up and back. Again and again and again. But instead of feeling reprieved, he felt guilty. "Should I get my skates on, Patty?" he asked Assistant Coach Craig Patrick. "Cool it, Buzz," Patrick replied.​
It ended at last, and Brooks had the players coast slowly around the rink so that the lactic acid could work itself out of their muscles. And that was when Forward Mark Johnson broke his stick over the boards. Mark Johnson, who made the team go. Mark Johnson, who was its hardest worker, its smartest player. Mark Johnson, whom Brooks never, ever had to yell at. And you know what Brooks said--screamed--after skating those kids within an inch of their lives? "If I ever see a kid hit a stick on the boards again, I'll skate you till you die!" They believed him. And they would have died, just to spite him. Says Silk, "I can remember times when I was so mad at him I tried to skate so hard I'd collapse, so I could say to him, 'See what you did?' " But they weren't an all-star team anymore. They were together in this, all for one. And Brooks was the enemy. And don't think he didn't know it. It was a lonely year by design, all right.​
Yes it is a different time. Players transfer. Playing on an Olympic team is different. Still if he hadn't demanded more they wouldn't have put in the work. Today you need to inspire more rather than demand and still you need to set a bar and challenge the team to exceed it.
100%! Thanks for sharing, JB. I wonder if MS7 fears losing kids to the portal if he is too hard on them. Of course, the coach has to model that hard work philosophy by working hard, late, and simply showing up for all UNH events. Captured loosely in the classic film "Miracle" https://youtu.be/2nR3reKPE5Y
 
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100%! Thanks for sharing, JB. I wonder if MS7 fears losing kids to the portal if he is too hard on them. Of course, the coach has to model that hard work philosophy by working hard, late, and simply showing up for all UNH events. Captured loosely in the classic film "Miracle" https://youtu.be/2nR3reKPE5Y

He is a lame duck coach. He knows it and, more importantly, the team does.
 
As if those numbers have been validated. Cy lists himself at 5'10 when he is closer to 5'6. I used to bust Cafarelli himself about listing himself one year at 6'1" when he is 5'9" on a big hair day. Take the "official" heights and weights with a major grain of salt.

My eyes don't deceive me when UNH looks absolutely tiny compared to other teams.
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Values from CHN. UNH oldest, second shortest, and middle of the pack in weight. I find it hard to believe UNH is lying considerably more or worse than the other teams. Maybe what you're seeing is that they are shorter than opponents.
 
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Values from CHN. UNH oldest, second shortest, and middle of the pack in weight. I find it hard to believe UNH is lying considerably more or worse than the other teams. Maybe what you're seeing is that they are shorter than opponents.

Not sure how many games you've attended this year in person, but this year's edition of the Cats looks significantly smaller than other teams....because, they are.

Not even a question.
 
I've attended a half dozen or so. They look relatively similar in size to their opponents....because, they are.

Not even close.

If you get there at 5:45 and see both teams warning up on the concourse, the difference is stark. BC, BU, UMass and Providence come immediately to mind. Even our own players have commented on it.

It's more real than you think.
 
Rich Gale had a pretty decent MLB career, mostly with the KC Royals, and started two games for them in the 1980 World Series. Funny old article below:



Wasn't Chris Serino the Baseball head coach at some point in the '90's? IIRC a backup goalie named Brian Larochelle was also a catcher for UNH Baseball.
Gale was rookie pitcher of the year with KC and I've got his rookie card😂Played bball against Gale in high school. He was a very good bball player. My job was to play him man to man and keep him from scoring his average which I did. He and Dennis Sargent also from Littleton both played bball at UNH. IIRC correctly Littleton won a couple of bball championships back to back with them.
 
Gale was rookie pitcher of the year with KC and I've got his rookie card😂Played bball against Gale in high school. He was a very good bball player. My job was to play him man to man and keep him from scoring his average which I did. He and Dennis Sargent also from Littleton both played bball at UNH. IIRC correctly Littleton won a couple of bball championships back to back with them.
Yup! Big game was always against John Bagonzis Woodsville Engineers...who have won a couple of titles in the past few seasons. This season Littleton won it after being runner up 2 seasons in a row (to Woodsville!). Bagonzi was the 'Bobby Knight' of the North Country...
 
I agree that UNH has some smaller players (as do most teams) and that was true in the past as well.

On the other hand, Newcombe, MacDonald, MacPherson are neither small or play small games. Lavins isn't tiny and plays a very hard game, unfortunately his body is not a durable as his mind wants it to be. Other than Fitzgerald the back end is pretty stout, UNH has certainly had much smaller D corp. This is just off the top of my head. Turner and DeTurris don't play small. etc.

Yes Ring, LeClerc and Winters are on the smaller side and I wouldn't expect those 3 to be "mixing it up" in the corners as there main style of play.
 
Happy MBPBEGAM "playoffs" night, y'all!!! One program says goodbye to its old barn, and the other says goodbye to its underachieving head coach. Fitting!!

Final Score: @NU/Chestnut Hill 4, UNH 1

Another season comes and goes in Titletown, hopefully the guy in charge is humble enough to admit he's not up to the job, and lets his alma mater move on ...
 
Not even close.

If you get there at 5:45 and see both teams warning up on the concourse, the difference is stark. BC, BU, UMass and Providence come immediately to mind. Even our own players have commented on it.

It's more real than you think.
If you arrive at 5:30 when I do and see them before "warning up on the concourse" you notice the difference is not stark. Even our own players have commented on it. Much more real than you think.
 
Happy MBPBEGAM "playoffs" night, y'all!!! One program says goodbye to its old barn, and the other says goodbye to its underachieving head coach. Fitting!!

Final Score: @NU/Chestnut Hill 4, UNH 1

Another season comes and goes in Titletown, hopefully the guy in charge is humble enough to admit he's not up to the job, and lets his alma mater move on ...
It's Wacky Wednesday. Anything can happen🤣
 
Not even close.

If you get there at 5:45 and see both teams warning up on the concourse, the difference is stark. BC, BU, UMass and Providence come immediately to mind. Even our own players have commented on it.

It's more real than you think.
Well, lets explore another option...the Optical Illusion solution... White home uniforms vs visiting team in dark road sweaters? So does UNH look bigger on the road?
 
Gale was rookie pitcher of the year with KC and I've got his rookie card😂Played bball against Gale in high school. He was a very good bball player. My job was to play him man to man and keep him from scoring his average which I did. He and Dennis Sargent also from Littleton both played bball at UNH. IIRC correctly Littleton won a couple of bball championships back to back with them.
Yeah they did. In either 70-71 or 71-72...starting 5 of Gale, Sargent, Sargent, Zieter, Fillion. Even class L schools in MHT wanted nothing to do with them at the Christmas tournaments...
 
Well, lets explore another option...the Optical Illusion solution... White home uniforms vs visiting team in dark road sweaters? So does UNH look bigger on the road?
bakchk20 may have the most perceptive comment on this point. At least to me, dark jerseys almost always look more imposing than white jerseys.

The NHL flip-flopped on this protocol a decade or two ago, now most home teams are wearing colors, and most road teams are wearing white.
 
bakchk20 may have the most perceptive comment on this point. At least to me, dark jerseys almost always look more imposing than white jerseys.

The NHL flip-flopped on this protocol a decade or two ago, now most home teams are wearing colors, and most road teams are wearing white.
I mean PC in those Black unis...formidable!! (Said in my best French accent!! )
 
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