The States : red states in a race to the bottom

[Jimjamesak]

Tell me you've never been to these states without telling me you've never been to these states.

Break TX apart in equal measure between Azatlan (southern halves of CA, AZ, and NM), Confederacy (AR, Southern MO, all of VA except NoVa), and JesusfuckEHstan (with OK). Northern AZ, UT, and most of western CO become Deseret. Northern NM and a chunk of the Four Corners region become the Navajo-Zuni Nation and immediately deport all whites.

Eh, it was a rough draft.

 

[Handyman]

The irony of him posting that should not be lost on people here

As for the breakup...I wish it would end up that clean but it wont. Especially the Great Lakes.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Half of Ohio and Indiana will want to join the south. Downstate Illinois too, probably.

We could divvy them up at the I-70 corridor.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The bottom line is the wrong army won the Civil War. That result is the root of all of our issues. Split it up, I do not care how.

 

[Handyman]

Half of Ohio and Indiana will want to join the south. Downstate Illinois too, probably.

We could divvy them up at the I-70 corridor.

Half of Minnesota will go with Nodak...and who knows what The Yoopers will do

 

[Jimjamesak]

The irony of him posting that should not be lost on people here

As for the breakup...I wish it would end up that clean but it wont. Especially the Great Lakes.

The harsh reality of any breakup of the US is that a lot of areas are going to have to make tough choices because geography and logistics are part of reality. Being an exclave sucks, someone being able to cut off your supply of food and fuel at a moment’s notice is not good governance.

I use Alaska as a prime example. Politically we may not want to hitch ourselves to Washington and California but, the reality is if we don’t we likely starve. We cannot sustain our population alone and the best way to import food is through the ports in Seattle and Tacoma. We could drive or fly it up but that would still involve “foreign” roads and airspace.

 

[Handyman]

The harsh reality of any breakup of the US is that a lot of areas are going to have to make tough choices because geography and logistics are part of reality. Being an exclave sucks, someone being able to cut off your supply of food and fuel at a moment’s notice is not good governance.

I use Alaska as a prime example. Politically we may not want to hitch ourselves to Washington and California but, the reality is if we don’t we likely starve. We cannot sustain our population alone and the best way to import food is through the ports in Seattle and Tacoma. We could drive or fly it up but that would still involve “foreign” roads and airspace.

I dont disagree...but lets not forget how we got here. The people voting and the people in charge of some of these states are not up to the challenge of making things work. If they were we wouldnt be having this discussion.

States are going to split in half, borders are going to change. Blood will be spilled.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

and who knows what The Yoopers will do

Nothing. The only major resources left up there are lumber and fresh water. There's still some copper and iron, but the remaining streaks and deposits are so deep it's cost prohibitive to mine it even with current tech.

 

[Handyman]

Nothing. The only major resources left up there are lumber and fresh water. There's still some copper and iron, but the remaining streaks and deposits are so deep it's cost prohibitive to mine it even with current tech.

I didn't say they had anything to offer...but much like Quebecois they are not normal people

 

[Handyman]

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[Jimjamesak]

I dont disagree...but lets not forget how we got here. The people voting and the people in charge of some of these states are not up to the challenge of making things work. If they were we wouldnt be having this discussion.

States are going to split in half, borders are going to change. Blood will be spilled.

The one major factor is that you’re assuming that the people in power now will be the ones doing the negotiating. If things go to shit our current power structures, and the people in them, will be gone.

 

[St. Clown]

The bottom line is the wrong army won the Civil War. That result is the root of all of our issues. Split it up, I do not care how.

Every time you post this, my initial thoughts are, There goes Scooby, wishing that the institution of slavery continued to be inflicted upon the darkies.

 

[Handyman]

The one major factor is that you’re assuming that the people in power now will be the ones doing the negotiating. If things go to shit our current power structures, and the people in them, will be gone.

Right...but you assume the people replacing them will be better at it and I assume they will be way worse. There is no one in this country that is up to the challenge. Most of the people who will negotiate for the "Free States" will be way too passive and Lincoln like. (and the ones who aren't are going to go way out of bounds) Those that take over areas like Florida and the Southwest will be way too bloodthirsty. The PNW might be able to make things work but the Great Lakes will go bananas and the NE will fall prey to arrogance one way or another. It is going to fall into disrepair almost immediately.

Now, if you are talking 10 years from now after prolonged engagements, bloodshed and backroom deals I am with you. But it will take a lot to get us to the point that true borders can be negotiated and it will likely take a lot of outside help.

 

[Kepler]

The irony of him posting that should not be lost on people here

As for the breakup...I wish it would end up that clean but it wont. Especially the Great Lakes.

Once climate change makes the Great Lakes the Riviera, Ivy and Stanford alums will swoop in and buy those distressed properties in lots of a thousand, build a real tax base, and blue the fuck out of it.

The good news is MI and WI will finally be socialist. The bad news is all the native born will be pushed out to Indiana and Iowa. Although that's mostly good news. I will put in a good word for you guys at the secret meetings. We like low income housing.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Right...but you assume the people replacing them will be better at it and I assume they will be way worse. There is no one in this country that is up to the challenge. Most of the people who will negotiate for the "Free States" will be way too passive and Lincoln like. (and the ones who aren't are going to go way out of bounds) Those that take over areas like Florida and the Southwest will be way too bloodthirsty. The PNW might be able to make things work but the Great Lakes will go bananas and the NE will fall prey to arrogance one way or another. It is going to fall into disrepair almost immediately.

Now, if you are talking 10 years from now after prolonged engagements, bloodshed and backroom deals I am with you. But it will take a lot to get us to the point that true borders can be negotiated and it will likely take a lot of outside help.

I don’t think it’ll take 10 years, not when nukes are involved. 2-3 years is most likely, and with international forces likely stationed for a while to enforce any agreements.

 

[Kepler]

Every time you post this, my initial thoughts are, There goes Scooby, wishing that the institution of slavery continued to be inflicted upon the darkies.

Anybody ever think the Civil War simply extended capitalist slavery to everybody?

 

[Kepler]

I don’t think it’ll take 10 years, not when nukes are involved. 2-3 years is most likely, and with international forces likely stationed for a while to enforce any agreements.

I'm not sure if you're joking which is itself a helluva statement about where we have gotten.

But I would assume intervention will not be the international community's response to full on Crazy USA-holes. Let's say we actually occupied Greenland, for example. Just took it claiming "self defense," Bibi-style. I am betting the world responds like this and for the same reason: we're too dangerous to engage directly, and we will sooner or later just destroy ourselves and eliminate the problem.

 

[Jimjamesak]

I'm not sure if you're joking which is itself a helluva statement about where we have gotten.

But I would assume intervention will not be the international community's response to full on Crazy USA-holes. Let's say we actually occupied Greenland, for example. Just took it claiming "self defense," Bibi-style. I am betting the world responds like this and for the same reason: we're too dangerous to engage directly, and we will sooner or later just destroy ourselves and eliminate the problem.

It’s all fun and games to sit back and let us destroy ourselves until some paranoid warlord decides to start lobbing nukes at others. Why do you think everyone got involved when the Soviet Union collapsed? Nobody wants loose nuclear material floating around unchecked.

 

[aparch]

Half of Ohio and Indiana will want to join the south. Downstate Illinois too, probably.

We could divvy them up at the I-70 corridor.

I would have said I-80, but we'd need that farmland between the two expressways.


And you're not wrong about Southern Illinois. Indiana already tried making a grab for them legislatively in the last year.

 

[Handyman]

It’s all fun and games to sit back and let us destroy ourselves until some paranoid warlord decides to start lobbing nukes at others. Why do you think everyone got involved when the Soviet Union collapsed? Nobody wants loose nuclear material floating around unchecked.

Without an overt act they will do what they always do...wag a finger. Israel has a crazy man in charge with nukes and no one bats an eye as they ethnic cleanse.

If you want the international community to get involved someone needs to start a war beyond our borders. The world is way overdue for a proxy war and this time it will be fought on our continent not in Europe.