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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

MichVandal said:
The real surprise is that it came now, so far into the season. I wonder if Max has exercised is escape clause and the blame for that has fallen on Horner's shoulders.
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It is my understanding the escape clause can't be enacted until summer break.

But, I do agree with your Jos assertions.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
It is my understanding the escape clause can't be enacted until summer break.

But, I do agree with your Jos assertions.
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With all the talk about it, I thought it was after this past weekend. Dunno.

If Jos triggered it, I think it was a really bad move to do that- at least for Max. RBR has so many questions going into 2026 that they are almost like Audi's new works team.
 
Maybe Max cut the apron strings and Jos is taking it out on RBR.

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“F1 leaning toward Apple for U.S. TV rights as bid tops ESPN offer: Sources”

That’s from The Athletic. Apparently their bid is about 50% or higher over ESPN.
 
Rumors of Toto and Max meeting this weekend, but other reports that it's false. I've been a Mercedes fan since I got into F1 (not that it's been a long time), but it would be tough to keep a rooting interest unless they get Max to change his driving style.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
“F1 leaning toward Apple for U.S. TV rights as bid tops ESPN offer: Sources”

That’s from The Athletic. Apparently their bid is about 50% or higher over ESPN.
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Apple has great coverage for MLB, but since they took over MLS and only one game is on regular TV each week, my viewership in that has gone down to near zero. My hope is it would be like MLB where it's included in Apple TV and not a separate package like MLS.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Apple has great coverage for MLB
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The only "great" national coverage is when a network has NO national broadcast team, and simply pick up the local booths and trucks. That's alI want from life for sports forever. Get rid of the Bristol-ish dullards and let the yokels yap.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Apple has great coverage for MLB, but since they took over MLS and only one game is on regular TV each week, my viewership in that has gone down to near zero. My hope is it would be like MLB where it's included in Apple TV and not a separate package like MLS.
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Same here. It’s so dumb they have most of the games on at the same time too.

F1 going to Apple would be the best thing that has happened to nascar in a long time.

I watched a little of the Indy race at Iowa today and it was completely empty. They’ve had a rough year other than Indy 500.
 
Drew S. said:
Same here. It’s so dumb they have most of the games on at the same time too.

F1 going to Apple would be the best thing that has happened to nascar in a long time.

I watched a little of the Indy race at Iowa today and it was completely empty. They’ve had a rough year other than Indy 500.
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NASCAR is really suffering right now- Fox is taking Indycar, Fox Sports or TNT sports has NASCAR. If anyone, the shift will really help Indycar and it's coverage.

Basically, F1 to Apple is just bad news for racing in the US.

I wonder what Netflix's bid was since they have DTS.
 
MichVandal said:
NASCAR is really suffering right now- Fox is taking Indycar, Fox Sports or TNT sports has NASCAR. If anyone, the shift will really help Indycar and it's coverage.

Basically, F1 to Apple is just bad news for racing in the US.

I wonder what Netflix's bid was since they have DTS.
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NASCAR is on six networks this year. Fox, FS1, Prime, TNT, NBC, and USA. And I think Max has additional coverage for the TNT races.

Now, they're all in blocks so it's not like one week is NBC, one Fox, and TNT the next, and they've been doing at least two partners for a long time, but splintering it that much, including a streaming-only block with Prime doesn't seem great. Meanwhile Indy is on Fox every single race. And even NASCAR's lower series is always on CW.

The problem with streaming is that while you can really lock-in the diehards like the no blackout Apple deal with MLS, it's also going to create a barrier of entry for casuals. There's not really channel flipping on streaming, but on the other hand, with more and more dropping cable I don't know how much longer sports can bring in casuals either. There are a few reports basically saying sports are the only thing keeping people with cable. I'm one of them.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
NASCAR is on six networks this year. Fox, FS1, Prime, TNT, NBC, and USA. And I think Max has additional coverage for the TNT races.

Now, they're all in blocks so it's not like one week is NBC, one Fox, and TNT the next, and they've been doing at least two partners for a long time, but splintering it that much, including a streaming-only block with Prime doesn't seem great. Meanwhile Indy is on Fox every single race. And even NASCAR's lower series is always on CW.

The problem with streaming is that while you can really lock-in the diehards like the no blackout Apple deal with MLS, it's also going to create a barrier of entry for casuals. There's not really channel flipping on streaming, but on the other hand, with more and more dropping cable I don't know how much longer sports can bring in casuals either. There are a few reports basically saying sports are the only thing keeping people with cable. I'm one of them.
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They are not what they used to be, so I don't think an F1 change in location is going to mean much to them. There are only 1.1M F1 viewers, and given when almost all of them are run, they also watch Indycar and/or NASCAR.
 
Betting line : who does Christian Hoerner catch on with and how much of an ownership stake do they give him to join up? Is he Toto Two?
 
I just saw Mattia is the COO at the Audi team. Does that mean he will be Team Principal next year? That would make me an instant Audi ultra.
 
MichVandal said:
Still, can we finally get rid of the full wet tires? When it even gets close to needing them, the race is stopped. It’s a massive waste to have them.
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I read that Pirelli is working on producing usable full wet tires. They know they are wasting resources making tires nobody is every going to use.
 
Kepler said:
Betting line : who does Christian Hoerner catch on with and how much of an ownership stake do they give him to join up? Is he Toto Two?
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There are only two teams where this scenario can play out -- Aston Martin (who is giving shares to "regular" employees as well as Newey) and Alpine (which is only 76% owned by Renault, with the rest being private investors). The latter many are speculating could be for sale completely and are now linking Horner to a possible takeover.

There is no other current teams who is either going to want Horner or will be willing to give him shares.

I don't see TWG (who are the real owners of the Cadillac team) selling out completely right away, but would they give a piece to Horner to hire him? I don't know if they are interested in doing that, but Horner does have experience building "new" teams (I know Red Bull bought Jaguar, but in the condition they were in, it was essentially like starting up a new team).
 
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