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2025 Conference Tournament Mega-Thread

Tom Coughlin said:
I only checked the past 10 years and Stevens Point has done it in 2016 and 2019 (although they certainly won the WIAC tourney in 2019...I didn't bother to check 2016).
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WIAC didn't have an automatic bid in those years, so a bit of an outlying data point. Since a WIAC team was going to get in most likely one way or another, and only by an at-large bid.
 
Tom Coughlin said:
Before that Oswego in 2007...so yeah, it doesn't happen very often.
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Oswego beat SNC and Middlebury in Superior that year. Really thought that was going to be the first Championship for SNC - even though betting against Middlebury in that era was a fools errand.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
WIAC didn't have an automatic bid in those years, so a bit of an outlying data point. Since a WIAC team was going to get in most likely one way or another, and only by an at-large bid.
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Yep so the list is basically Oswego. I did check 2016 and Stevens Point won the WIAC tourney that year too (in double OT), so Oswego is the only team since at least 2007 to win the NCAA tournament without also winning their conference tournament.
 
altazo said:
Oswego beat SNC and Middlebury in Superior that year. Really thought that was going to be the first Championship for SNC - even though betting against Middlebury in that era was a fools errand.
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At least they finally cashed in a year later (and in 2011, 2012, 2014, and 2018 :)).
 
Tom Coughlin said:
Yep so the list is basically Oswego. I did check 2016 and Stevens Point won the WIAC tourney that year too (in double OT), so Oswego is the only team since at least 2007 to win the NCAA tournament without also winning their conference tournament.
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Truly one of the more awful losses in program history. They were the class of the sunyac that year 20-2-3 next best was geneseo was 16-9. Platty was a paltry 13-8-6 And they lose to a fredonia team that went below 0.500 in sunyac play in the semifinal and got their butts kicked 9-0 by middlebury who we beat in the titlegame.
 
Lord_Zubin said:
Truly one of the more awful losses in program history. They were the class of the sunyac that year 20-2-3 next best was geneseo was 16-9. Platty was a paltry 13-8-6 And they lose to a fredonia team that went below 0.500 in sunyac play in the semifinal and got their butts kicked 9-0 by middlebury who we beat in the titlegame.
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***JCB*** said:
How many times have at-large teams even won this tournament? It can't be more than a handful over the last 25+ years.
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Well, that addresses the issue at hand... Under-qualified AQ's have displaced really good and deserving AL's for as long as I've been following D-3, which spans each and every year since the turn of the century.

More to the point, when has a gift- AQ ever won a the NC..? (As in, a bad team that snuck-in, taking the hardware home?)

Never, is my guess.
 
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You always try to make the opposite point. The top few teams in any given year are the ones that win the title. They go on a run and win their conference and they don't lose again for a few weeks. Get over it.
 
***JCB*** said:
You always try to make the opposite point. The top few teams in any given year are the ones that win the title. They go on a run and win their conference and they don't lose again for a few weeks. Get over it.
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Are you saying that either #80 MCLA or #53 Fitchburg has earned a shot into a field of 12 for an NC berth? Please.

It's really not that difficult to do the math, if one has the slightest grasp of what a decent statistical analysis involves. Both programs should have been shit-canned for any such consideration long before this joke of an AQ "title" game was even ordained.

And, If Fitchburg wins, they'll go into the tourney at 13-12 (SOS, #79), playing in an awful conference.

But, even more ridiculously, is the absolute possibility that MCLA could advance with a record of 7-16 and a SOS of 77.

Dumbest shit that I've seen during these last few weeks, aside from the abject idiocy a little to the south of us.
 
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Each league chooses how its NCAA bid will be awarded. If a league wants to give it to the regular season champion, that's totally within their power. Colleges can make it happen. And yet they choose to stick with tournaments to decide the AQ.

The ratio of bids to teams is fixed at 1:6 across all DIII sports. Want more bids, need more teams. But as has been pointed out, that means colleges starting new programs, which typically (not always) means lower-quality teams in the lower-quality leagues. I'd love to see the tournament expand, but that's the downside.

If the objection is AQs overall, keep in mind this is DIII sports. Student-athletes, access and fairness, etc. Part of the point is that the little-guys get a chance at a dream too. Otherwise we might as well be DI football.
 
Fishman'81 said:
Are you saying that either #80 MCLA or #53 Fitchburg has earned a shot into a field of 12 for an NC berth? Please.

It's really not that difficult to do the math, if one has the slightest grasp of what a decent statistical analysis involves. Both programs should have been shit-canned for any such consideration long before this joke of an AQ "title" game.

And If Fitchburg wins, they'll go into the tourney at 13-12 (SOS, #79), playing in a shit conference, but, even more ridiculous is the absolute possibility that MCLA could advance with a record of 7-16 and a SOS of 77.

Dumbest shit that I've seen during these last few weeks, aside from the abject idiocy a little to the south of us.
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MikeMidd said:
Each league chooses how its NCAA bid will be awarded. If a league wants to give it to the regular season champion, that's totally within their power. Colleges can make it happen. And yet they choose to stick with tournaments to decide the AQ.

The ratio of bids to teams is fixed at 1:6 across all DIII sports. Want more bids, need more teams. But as has been pointed out, that means colleges starting new programs, which typically (not always) means lower-quality teams in the lower-quality leagues. I'd love to see the tournament expand, but that's the downside.

If the objection is AQs overall, keep in mind this is DIII sports. Student-athletes, access and fairness, etc. Part of the point is that the little-guys get a chance at a dream too. Otherwise we might as well be DI football.
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Simply because each and every conference is allowed to do things as they please does not impart a scintilla of logic to the process.

(And that much certainly doesn't go to "fairness"... It just goes to D3H doing things as it always has, just because.)

D-3 hockey is long overdue for a reckoning with logic. The NCAA is on its heels, and all college sports are -for better or worse- in the midst of an overhaul.

Maybe D3H will be forced to grow a brain sometime soon. In the meantime, we'll see a 53-80th team waste space in the National tournament.
 
ColdInRomney said:
"Reisweber with the puck, charging up the right wing, crosses the blueline, cuts deep into the circle, cuts across the crease, fakes the forehand, backhand.... SCORE!!!. Oswego wins its first National Championship!"
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you forgot the "of any kind in school history, it's celebration time in upstate NY"
 
Fishman'81 said:
D-3 hockey is long overdue for a reckoning with logic. The NCAA is on its heels, and all college sports are -for better or worse- in the midst of an overhaul.

Maybe D3H will be forced to grow a brain sometime soon. In the meantime, we'll see a 53-80th team waste space in the National tournament.
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What makes you think it would be any different?

You simply never accept this one fact -- the schools themselves vote on these policies. It's not like the NCAA is some mysterious, dictatorial organization. The schools themselves vote on these policies.

And if the NCAA "went away" whatever takes their place will have the same schools voting on polices. And they are going to vote in the same policies. What makes yout think the schools want anything different if they don't vote for that difference now?
 
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