Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

[WisconsinWildcard]

https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1275095890064261120

"Amid surge in Florida COVID-19 cases, Fla. Gov. DeSantis changed guidelines for ICU reporting. He doesn't want hospitals to report the number of patients in ICU beds. He only wants hospitals to report number of patients in ICU beds who require an “intensive level of care.”"

There is actually a difference between the two. You can have a patient in an ICU bed that is "step down" or "floor status" but not have a bed in the hospital to transfer them to, thus they are getting "floor care" while taking up an ICU bed. My specialty's ICU often has a large minority of the beds in the ICU taken up by patients that are not ICU status because we are very much a feast or famine specialty and need the space for ICU care if shit hits the fan. I would not expect those numbers to change too much if there is a surge of severely ill people as most ICU beds will be someone requiring an ICU level of care.

Hospitals can charge more (in many cases) for an ICU bed than a floor bed so there is an incentive before all this nonsense to build more ICU beds with the available space.

 

[SJHovey]

FL already at 3k cases and breaks 100k overall.

Shouldn't Florida be one of the "leaders" in terms of case numbers? What is it, maybe the 4th or 5th in terms of state population, and it isn't that big, geographically. It's also a location that attracts visitors, so certainly leading up to the pandemic they would have seen people from all over the world.

It might seem simplistic, but it seems to me this disease is going to go where the people are.

 

[rufus]

https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1275095890064261120

"Amid surge in Florida COVID-19 cases, Fla. Gov. DeSantis changed guidelines for ICU reporting. He doesn't want hospitals to report the number of patients in ICU beds. He only wants hospitals to report number of patients in ICU beds who require an “intensive level of care.”"

"Intensive level of care" in the "intensive care unit"?

Are these people really that friggin' stupid? I mean, there's everyday common stupid, that pretty much anyone can be accused of at one time or another, but this is an intra-dimensional level of stupid. This is the D-1 Covid thread stupid.

 

[rufus]

Strip club outbreak in WI

https://www.nbc15.com/content/news/C...571389611.html

Jeb's probably never been there, but I bet he's been Cruisin' Chubbys a time or two.

And great. Now you can list Covfefe19 to the list of symptoms you'll be having after visiting there.

 

[Handyman]

There is actually a difference between the two. You can have a patient in an ICU bed that is "step down" or "floor status" but not have a bed in the hospital to transfer them to, thus they are getting "floor care" while taking up an ICU bed. My specialty's ICU often has a large minority of the beds in the ICU taken up by patients that are not ICU status because we are very much a feast or famine specialty and need the space for ICU care if **** hits the fan. I would not expect those numbers to change too much if there is a surge of severely ill people as most ICU beds will be someone requiring an ICU level of care.

Hospitals can charge more (in many cases) for an ICU bed than a floor bed so there is an incentive before all this nonsense to build more ICU beds with the available space.

Right but it isnt about whether there is a difference. It is about how he wants them to use the lesser number to make it look like there isnt as big of a problem as there is.

 

[rufus]

Shouldn't Florida be one of the "leaders" in terms of case numbers? What is it, maybe the 4th or 5th in terms of state population, and it isn't that big, geographically. It's also a location that attracts visitors, so certainly leading up to the pandemic they would have seen people from all over the world.

It might seem simplistic, but it seems to me this disease is going to go where the people are.

Give it time, numbnuts. NYC didn't start out with 10,000 cases a day. Not to mention, Florida is actively suppressing their actual numbers. Pneumonia deaths are off the charts compared to yearly averages.

Florida, and it seems California too, can be seen as examples of how the lockdown worked in limiting case spread at first. Now there's no lockdown, they'll be seeing NYC numbers soon enough.

 

[Handyman]

Shouldn't Florida be one of the "leaders" in terms of case numbers? What is it, maybe the 4th or 5th in terms of state population, and it isn't that big, geographically. It's also a location that attracts visitors, so certainly leading up to the pandemic they would have seen people from all over the world.

It might seem simplistic, but it seems to me this disease is going to go where the people are.

And it seems to me if they just would have done what they were supposed to do they wouldnt be having this issue. The South had months to watch how other states dealt with this, they had lead time. But much like their God King El Hefty they pretended it was never coming to them and did everything wrong.

Or are you trying to downplay the numbers as not big enough...cause if so that would definitely be a dumb thing to say out loud.

But their sacrifice for the economy is noted and logged. I hope they enjoyed the bars and beaches!

 

[rufus]

Hovey loves to downplay numbers. That way it isn't serious.

How many Americans were gonna lose their lives to this, Hovey? Please remind us, I've forgotten. Oh wait, no I haven't Hovey figured we wouldn't lose more than 20,000 dead. He really expected this administration to handle this competently. Why, I have no idea.

 

[burd]

Strip club outbreak in WI

https://www.nbc15.com/content/news/COVID-19--571389611.html

15 minutes away (no, I didn't time it). What happens at all those other Dells attractions will be interesting. Like Branson.

 

[SJHovey]

And it seems to me if they just would have done what they were supposed to do they wouldnt be having this issue. The South had months to watch how other states dealt with this, they had lead time. But much like their God King El Hefty they pretended it was never coming to them and did everything wrong.

Or are you trying to downplay the numbers as not big enough...cause if so that would definitely be a dumb thing to say out loud.

But their sacrifice for the economy is noted and logged. I hope they enjoyed the bars and beaches!

NY locked down early, hard, and stayed lock down. Cuomo has been the poster child of the left for months. NY still got obliterated.

What I'm saying is that this disease goes where the people are. It doesn't go where the boats are or the cars or the trees. It goes where the people are. Wherever there are concentrations of people, you are going to have outbreaks. That's why the outbreak in ND occurred in Grand Forks, not in Cando. Yeah, taking some steps like masks and closing down bars and restaurants will have some effect but that effect is primarily in the timing of when the population gets it, not whether they will get it. You're going to see places like Florida, Texas and California throwing up larger numbers now because that's where the people are. It likely takes a little more time to spread in those states because people are less likely to be cooped up together, are less likely to use public transportation, and in cases like Texas and California, there is more geographic separation.

 

[Kepler]

Shouldn't Florida be one of the "leaders" in terms of case numbers? What is it, maybe the 4th or 5th in terms of state population, and it isn't that big, geographically. It's also a location that attracts visitors, so certainly leading up to the pandemic they would have seen people from all over the world.

It might seem simplistic, but it seems to me this disease is going to go where the people are.

The worry here is FL started from trace numbers a few weeks ago and is now getting even with per capita. It's not like they're gonna magically stop now because they have reached their expected level.

 

[Kepler]

Strip club outbreak in WI

https://www.nbc15.com/content/news/COVID-19--571389611.html

From the Cruisin Chubby's website:

Wage Based on Experience

Fun fact: I have never been to a strip club.

 

[rufus]

NYC had their first confirmed case on March 1. They didn't initiate a shelter in place order until 3/22. At that point they had a bit over 15,000 cases, and 79 deaths. A week before that there were 729. A week later, cases numbered 60,000. Trump declared a national emergency on March 13.

What if NYC had locked down on March 13? What would the effect have been?

So NY wasn't that early or hard, as schools were allowed to stay open for roughly another week or so. What it does demonstrate is the exponential rate of growth for the spread of this disease. That it ravaged NYC first and hardest should be expected, given its place as the major destination hub in this country.

 

[rufus]

What I'm saying is that this disease goes where the people are. It doesn't go where the boats are or the cars or the trees. It goes where the people are. Wherever there are concentrations of people, you are going to have outbreaks. That's why the outbreak in ND occurred in Grand Forks, not in Cando. Yeah, taking some steps like masks and closing down bars and restaurants will have some effect but that effect is primarily in the timing of when the population gets it, not whether they will get it. You're going to see places like Florida, Texas and California throwing up larger numbers now because that's where the people are. It likely takes a little more time to spread in those states because people are less likely to be cooped up together, are less likely to use public transportation, and in cases like Texas and California, there is more geographic separation.

Stable genius, you are.

You come to this conclusion all by yourself?

Except you're wrong. Shutting down bars and wearing mask will stop transmission of it. We've already shown that. Problem is, ******* like you didn't want to be inconvenienced, and forced their opening before we could shut the virus down. and now, no one cares, cause gotta open up because.............reasons.

You're like Donnie. "it's too hard, we can't do it, waaaahhh. So why even try?" Except Donnie only cares about getting re-elected. What's your reason for wanting more Americans to end up dead?

 

[jerphisch]

Given how light yesterday was reported, today should be really big.

Tomorrow will be the big day. Yesterday's numbers were mainly for Saturday, today's will be for Sunday. Tomorrow should catch us up, because we don't like to ruin our weekends with things like counting.

 

[alfablue]

NY locked down early, hard, and stayed lock down. Cuomo has been the poster child of the left for months. NY still got obliterated.

What I'm saying is that this disease goes where the people are. It doesn't go where the boats are or the cars or the trees. It goes where the people are. Wherever there are concentrations of people, you are going to have outbreaks. That's why the outbreak in ND occurred in Grand Forks, not in Cando. Yeah, taking some steps like masks and closing down bars and restaurants will have some effect but that effect is primarily in the timing of when the population gets it, not whether they will get it. You're going to see places like Florida, Texas and California throwing up larger numbers now because that's where the people are. It likely takes a little more time to spread in those states because people are less likely to be cooped up together, are less likely to use public transportation, and in cases like Texas and California, there is more geographic separation.

All you are saying is that there's nothing we can do and this is just expected. When, in fact, there IS something that can be done, and prevention can work- as it has played out all over the world. NY could have been a LOT worse than it was, but you will never accept that given that you are calling Cuomo a poster child. But how about South Korea, then? That worked out pretty darned well.

Social distancing works, as do masks. Take both away, like Florida has, well...

If/When Florida and or Texas become #1, beyond just the population numbers would suggest, will you come back and point out that your assumption is to simple? Or are you just going to ignore, again, when your are wrong?

In terms of Florida- IMHO, Disney and the Cruise companies need to flex their power- as they are the leaders for concentrated tourist dollars. The more Florida goes out of control, the more the +60% of Americans who are taking this seriously will not be going there any time soon. People may be tired of this, but there are enough local options to offset going to Florida for some kind of risky vacation.

 

[psych]

NYC had their first confirmed case on March 1. They didn't initiate a shelter in place order until 3/22. At that point they had a bit over 15,000 cases, and 79 deaths. Trump declared a national emergency on March 13.

So NY wasn't that early or hard, as schools were allowed to stay open for roughly another week or so. What it does demonstrate is the exponential rate of growth for the spread of this disease. That it ravaged NYC first and hardest should be expected, given its place as the major destination hub in this country.

Huh? NY should have closed much faster. I’m sure their cases were way higher early on, but, lack of testing at the time hid the true numbers. Those schools being allowed to stay open doesn’t mean the disease wasn’t already there ravaging the area before the testing caught up. In fact, the schools should have been closed faster than they were. Kentucky closed their schools faster than Ny. You know, the place where all the drooling dipsh-ts live. Let that sink in.

 

[rufus]

Huh? NY should have closed much faster. I’m sure their cases were way higher early on, but, lack of testing at the time hid the true numbers. Those schools being allowed to stay open doesn’t mean the disease wasn’t already there ravaging the area before the testing caught up. In fact, the schools should have been closed faster than they were. Kentucky closed their schools faster than Ny. You know, the place where all the drooling dipsh-ts live. Let that sink in.

Exactly. Lack of testing is why we're in this mess. Lack of testing in January and February, when there may have only been small pockets of the disease scattered around the country that could have been easily located and quarantined, was why we had to shut the entire country down in March. Cause we had no idea where the virus was, and where it was spreading to, or how fast, and no idea how to slow and contain the transmission other than just lock everything down.

There's a reason why the old proverbs are still around today. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[psych]

Exactly. Lack of testing is why we're in this mess. Lack of testing in January and February, when there may have only been small pockets of the disease scattered around the country that could have been easily located and quarantined, was why we had to shut the entire country down in March. Cause we had no idea where the virus was, and where it was spreading to, or how fast, and no idea how to slow and contain the transmission other than just lock everything down.

There's a reason why the old proverbs are still around today. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

So we agree places like New York screwed up and waited too long to close? I agree with the rest of what you’re saying. Like I said back in March, the federal government completely f-cked over every state with its lack of preparedness. I’ll guess I’ll never understand the demonization of all Southerners over the coronavirus pandemic. If it’s because many of them voted for the dips-it whose government f-cked all of us over, okay, I understand. But, I don’t think most Southerners are doing this coronavirus thing any worse than anyone else. As soon as everyone’s economies reopened, including those in blue states, the rise in cases was inevitable, including in the South. I don’t think the numbers bare out that the South is getting hit any harder than expected. Maybe that’ll change two weeks from now, or two months from now. But, at the moment, nah.

 

[Kepler]

So we agree places like New York screwed up and waited too long to close?

I think some of the criticism of NY, and even of Dump, can be mitigated by the absence of large numbers on the scoreboard when they dragged their heels.

But the same can't be said for the Re-openers. Those morons had all the evidence in front of them and they still shat the bed, and they should be pilloried for it.