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The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already
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Deutsche Gopher Fan
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To be fair, probably first time in years she’s been slapped with some meat
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
CA will have a $75B surplus. So by all means let's recall the Governor one year ahead of an election!
Bronco
Onondaga United IV.6
I remember the last time Michigan had a surplus and the Derps whined about how the government shouldn't have a surplus. Then the tax breaks continued until we couldn't fund anything. Good times.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Two days later and the Republican leads by a few hundred votes. I hate this fucking city.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
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Texas proposing extra taxes on electric vehicles because they don’t pay the gas tAx.
if they need revenue maybe start taxing gun ownership
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...Ui8dYpjrBQsC-JSIgyEahEo3cGb_nsIIoPt3NGRIU_Ic8
if they need revenue maybe start taxing gun ownership
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...Ui8dYpjrBQsC-JSIgyEahEo3cGb_nsIIoPt3NGRIU_Ic8
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
I'm shocked they don't subsidize guns by taxing education.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
The great thing about this is I heard the same joke many years ago about Upstate New York.
Fun fact: the home I grew up in on L.I. was built over a former potato field that was plowed under one year before I was born, and my high school had an enormous cornfield right near it. That was where the radio transmitter fell when two Seniors cut its guy wires the night before graduation when I was a Freshman. They were caught but they still went to Yale and Vassar (first coed class). Completely coincidentally they were rich and hung out with Henry Kissinger's family. Neither is a Republican Senator yet, somehow.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
South Carolina: Dog bites cow, cop tases dog, cow kicks cop, THE ARISTOCRATS!
Fighting Sioux 23
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I didn't see it in the article, but the argument for extra taxes on electric vehicles that gets bandied about here (Colorado) is that the gas tax is what partly/largely/solely (???) funds road improvement/maintenance projects. Electric vehicles obviously don't pay the gas tax, but they do use/benefit from the roads. Some have pushed for eliminating the gas tax (or at least the portion tied to road improvement projects), and simply charging a "use" tax on all vehicles based on the mileage driven by the vehicle during the prior year.
I don't really know much about this topic to accurately comment on how strong or weak of an argument that is, but at least on the surface it makes some sense.
D
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Of course it makes some sense at a base level and I think there’s one D in Texas supporting this. But we overall don’t incent enough to go electric and you know Texas doesn’t want to support electric over oil. Despite welcoming Elon.
Fighting Sioux 23
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I agree with you about incentivizing electric more. Same with Texas having issues.
And again, I'm not someone who has a lot of knowledge on this specific area, but if the idea is to have more and more electric vehicles on the roads (I think we both agree with this), then the structure of the "gas tax" would seemingly need to change to a "use tax." (Again, this is making the assumption that the gas tax is what partly/largely/solely (???) funds road improvement/maintenance projects.) I'm guessing that is what Texas is recognizing...and the thought of "punishing" electric vehicle owners is just a bonus.
I know this has been starting to get pushed in Colorado (also an oil-friendly state). Are other states proposing similar/other solutions?
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Illinois floated the idea as a talking point and it was soundly torpedoed. At least with Illinois or any other state that has Toll Highways, you already *pay* for the road improvement via the tolls. The money raised from a gas tax doesn't go toward the maintenance or construction of toll highways.
Oregon has a pilot program right now (since 2015) that drivers can opt into reporting their mileage, with a credit from any gas tax paid, but they have had very little interest from citizens. Washington State is looking into it.
My issues with it include how it's tracked, how out of state mileage is calculated, and how tollway mileage is separated out.
Fighting Sioux 23
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That is an interesting point pertaining to the toll roads. Colorado has a few toll roads, and the tolls collected help pay for the improvement/maintenance...to those toll roads (again, this is based off my limited understanding of the subject...which is based a lot on hearsay and limited discussions with legislators at a few luncheons).
In Illinois, what does the money raised from the gas tax go towards?
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Best answer I can find is that it gets divided up into three separate funds: state funding (IDOT), local municipalities (County, City), local transit (CTA (busses/"L" line), Metra, PACE) (all public transportation).
There was a vote a few years back to prevent the diversion of funds from the tax into anything other than transportation infrastructure. But with the adoption of electric vehicles and much better fuel efficiencies, alternatives are being looked at.
Currently passenger cars/trucks cost $151 for license plate renewal. Electric vehicles are charged $251 per year for registration, the extra $100 going toward the lost fuel tax.
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Easy solution: tax gas MORE, until the last SOB driving a Hummer has to pay for all of the roads. Problem solved.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Then how do we pay to improve/maintain the roads?
It would also probably cause prices for most goods shipped via ground transportation to skyrocket. At least until electric semis become realistic and affordable.
You’re not getting it. If gas tax receipts drop 5% this year, raise the rates 5% next year to keep the gas tax *revenue* flat. Roads are paid for by the people still driving gas vehicles - there will just be fewer and fewer of them.
All I read is “Wouldn’t it be horrible if the externalities of gasoline had to be paid by the people using it rather than continuing to be subsidized by society?”
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