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BU 2021-22: Albie's Great Adventure

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Wait, Hastings and Leaman actually interviewed? I haven't seen that anywhere. If that's accurate I would think whatever BU is willing to pay wasn't enough to lure them. Unless you guys have a large number of alums who are pushing for it to a be a BU guy. Could end up being in play at BC with Greg Brown vs. Nate Leaman.
 
From McMahon's April 29 newsletter:
"I’m not sure if it was a formal interview, but sources said that BU had a conversation with Leaman about their opening."

He also goes on to note that Leaman's total salary from PC was nearly $900K. So it'd take a LOT of money to get him away.
 
From McMahon's April 29 newsletter:
"I’m not sure if it was a formal interview, but sources said that BU had a conversation with Leaman about their opening."

He also goes on to note that Leaman's total salary from PC was nearly $900K. So it'd take a LOT of money to get him away.

Interesting. I wouldn't expect BC to pay Leaman that much but he's a finalist so they must be ok with what it would take.
 
Spot on. The AD does not come off well from this process. Gave a deadline of the coaches conference initially then reportedly did not conduct formal interviews until he was at the convention. Jay reportedly did not meet with President Brown until last week. What were they doing for four weeks? Chasing down the Quinn pipe dream? Waiting around for Hastings to decide? Neither of those two things should've delayed the process.

I don't believe it was a lack of takers, though. More lack of decisiveness.

Either way, this:
https://twitter.com/MikeGrinnell_/status/1521948443916316674?t=V900uMW24r7HylCPn3p2Pg&s=19

could be pandolfo putting staff together - contracts etc doesn’t have to be anything exotic
 
If that were the case, why did BU:
  • Wait approximately four weeks to give him a formal interview with President Brown (told to me from several unrelated people)
  • Have at least an informal interview with Mike Hastings (reported by many)
  • Have at least an informal interview with Nate Leaman (reported by Mike McMahon)
  • Have at least informal discussions with Quinn (reported by many)
  • Have at least an informal interview with Eric Lang (reported by McMahon)
  • Say they targeted to hire someone before the coach's convention then not make the hire and then wait to conduct interviews until during the convention
In other words, if they knew it was Jay all along - what the heck were they doing for the last month? Any one of Hastings, Leaman, or Quinn expressing interest would immediately vault that candidate over Jay.

Making sure they were right and waiting out the mysterious "Human Resources issue"?

And this is where we get to the root of the problem - the decision to bring on Jay as associate last year. Like you, I never fully bought the whole story given last year about how Albie reached out to him because he'd be a big help or whatever. I suspected Jay was brought in as the expected replacement for Albie. If that were the case, then it was a mistake from the beginning and BU should've made the move to make Jay HC last summer.

This I agree with - I think most of us have always had a lingering partial feeling that the decision to bring Jay on the staff was not entirely Albie's decision, but who knows? If it was all BU management making that move it would have been cleaner to just do it last year...
 
I've heard similar. One particular story from the 1st half of the season was that multiple players "opted-out" of being available for a 2-game series. Had nothing to do with hockey, injuries, academics, nor personal/family matters.

I heard apparently Albie's handling of that situation fell somewhere in between "indifferent" to "nonchalant".

This was also around the time when numerous players / parents approached Jay directly as I had previously written about.

OK - who wants to look back and research which players were mysteriously missing for a 2 game series?
 
OK - who wants to look back and research which players were mysteriously missing for a 2 game series?

I remember some friends who went to Marquette said they noticed fewer of the scratched players in the stands than usual for the NMU series. I wasn't there so I don't know who. I also didn't think anything of it at the time since they don't always sit together, but that might be a candidate.
 
If it was Jay's job, why go through the process/shirade of interviewing anyone else?

If it was a true national search and done with precision and diligence you'd still get through it faster than this.

The longer this goes on the more it looks like the first and second choices said no or resulted in a disagreement over money and now we have moved on to other candidates.

If an AD is doing their job correctly, we would have been back-channeling to several coach's agents since the decision to not renew Albie.

It's either incompetence, a lack of candidates, or a lack of willingness to pay market rate for the job.
 
If it was Jay's job, why go through the process/shirade of interviewing anyone else?

If it was a true national search and done with precision and diligence you'd still get through it faster than this.

The longer this goes on the more it looks like the first and second choices said no or resulted in a disagreement over money and now we have moved on to other candidates.

If an AD is doing their job correctly, we would have been back-channeling to several coach's agents since the decision to not renew Albie.

It's either incompetence, a lack of candidates, or a lack of willingness to pay market rate for the job.

As previously mentioned - they can have a plan that they are passing the torch to Jay, but still go through a process of interviews etc to make sure it is the right decision.
 
Spot on. The AD does not come off well from this process.

Chasing down the Quinn pipe dream?

Dean hasn’t been impressive from day 1. Wasn’t it said here way back that Quinn “hired” Dean? That was his boy.
quinn didn’t want to deal with FOH anymore so Dean folded that into terrier pride. Why then wouldn’t Dean hold out to hire back his rabbi?
BU should be looking for a new AD honestly. The fact we still have the same is damning as a competent guy or gal would have moved on to a bigger program by now (the same way bc loses exec to bigger program schools).
 
As previously mentioned - they can have a plan that they are passing the torch to Jay, but still go through a process of interviews etc to make sure it is the right decision.

Yes, they can but at some point you take too long and I think we're reaching/reached that point. If they love Jay, then you get "married" - why be slow footed with it?

With each passing day, I think it's not Jay but if it is Jay then I think it means no other strong/more qualified candidates wanted the job and/or could come to pay terms. We shall see. :)
 
If I was the AD and felt Pandolfo was the leading candidate I would absolutely interview other candidates to makes sure that I was choosing the right guy.
 
If I was the AD and felt Pandolfo was the leading candidate I would absolutely interview other candidates to makes sure that I was choosing the right guy.

Right - especially after perhaps having a sense that you hired the wrong guy the last time around.

i admit it is taking longer than I thought it would though. I remember I was predicting a day that was only a couple of weeks after Albie was let go. (Before Jeff Cox article with the HR issue delay)

We have to hear soon right?
 
As previously mentioned - they can have a plan that they are passing the torch to Jay, but still go through a process of interviews etc to make sure it is the right decision.

That's ultimately what I think happened. Kick the tires on Hastings/Leaman which apparently they did and if you can't work something out with one of them, Pandolfo is still there waiting for the job. You guys would know better than me but I would assume BU wasn't willing to pay what it would take for those other guys rather than getting blowback from alums on how they want a BU guy getting the job.
 
Who is Dean?

Also, while I'm not trying to defend this process, it is still a hiring process that one has to go through. It may just be a glacially slow University HR process/policy and no amount of pushing from the Athletic Department will make it go any faster.
 
Who is Dean?

Also, while I'm not trying to defend this process, it is still a hiring process that one has to go through. It may just be a glacially slow University HR process/policy and no amount of pushing from the Athletic Department will make it go any faster.

And in the end I am not sure how much the delayed hire has even mattered long-term. Has there been a mass exodus of players/decommits? Due diligence and exploring all your options to ensure you are getting the best possible candidate you can attract/afford is worth losing players in the short term. Short term pain for long term gain.
 
And in the end I am not sure how much the delayed hire has even mattered long-term. Has there been a mass exodus of players/decommits? Due diligence and exploring all your options to ensure you are getting the best possible candidate you can attract/afford is worth losing players in the short term. Short term pain for long term gain.

Agreed. BC also doesn't have a head coach. #WeAreBU&BC
 
That's ultimately what I think happened. Kick the tires on Hastings/Leaman which apparently they did and if you can't work something out with one of them, Pandolfo is still there waiting for the job. You guys would know better than me but I would assume BU wasn't willing to pay what it would take for those other guys rather than getting blowback from alums on how they want a BU guy getting the job.

I think to say "can't work something out with them" and to say that Pando would "still be waiting for the job" would indicate they thought they want one of them more than Pando - which may not be the case at all - but if they are doing proper due diligence they are still going to talk to people. They just as easily could have spoken to either one of them and decided that neither was the right fit for the job for reasons other than pay.
 
That's fair. My opinion would be if you have a legit shot at Hastings/Leaman, do everything you can to make it happen as their track record makes them better choices than Pandolfo. From a BC perspective I appear to be in the minority in wanting BC to seal the deal with Leaman instead of Greg Brown.
 
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