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POTUS 45.65: I'm Just Here For The Lincoln Project Ads

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I could have sworn we heard that already. Or at least parts of it.

Either way, the framing of this by cnn is laughable. It's a serious issue, but hardly noteworthy for anyone with a normally functioning brain given that we had the transcript.

But I guess it's good we have the audio. Not that it's going to change anyone's mind.

(sorry, I'm not trying to poopoo your post Race, just venting)
 
But it's a good think that the transcript was already submitted. So that it's still a valid piece of evidence.

Think if this got out before it was taken and accepted.... It probably would never been taken as evidence.
 
RaceBoarder said:
CNN has a copy of the Audio where Trump brags about his docs.
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The stupidest part of the whole thing is that Trump somehow truly believes that the fact the military drew up a war plan against Iran proves that Milley wanted/intended to attack Iran. If the military DIDN’T have a war plan, they should have all been fired. So Trump is showing off a classified document that has nothing whatsoever to do with what he’s trying to prove at the time.

Truly a Stupid, stupid, stupid man.
 
On Cannon's court order yesterday, some more meat.

It is very non-standard to keep witness lists sealed, and many many many media outlets - legit ones - had already petitioned to access them. The DOJ's request to seal it was one page and, apparently, barely gave reasoning. So this was Cannon doing what a normal, good judge would do: deny without prejudice and inform the petitioner why, and what they'd need to do if they actually want to seal the witness list. If the DOJ then writes a very good subsequent petition with evidence of previous intimidation/threats/etc. and she denies it with prejudice, then sure we may have a bigger problem.

But for now, the DOJ offered a tepid request that likely wouldn't have passed any judge.
 
On the recording, holy shit. Beau of the Fifth Column had a video last night basically saying "unless they can get this completely excluded as evidence - which with Cannon is possible - I don't even know how you mount a defense to this".

"Hey guys. I am actively criming. This is a crime and I am conscious and aware of that, while criming."


The ties to The Wire "is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?!" are ... wow.
 
LynahFan said:
If the military DIDN’T have a war plan, they should have all been fired.
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Truly a Stupid, stupid, stupid man.
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It's like during the 2020 election when mail-in votes were being used more and more, and he asked how they could ensure that a person didn't vote by mail and then in person. Like that wasn't literally the first thing people thought of when they start offering mail-in 40 years earlier. People who are dumb and incompetent don't understand what it looks like to be smart and competent, and when they do think about something basic they don't believe anyone else could have ever thought of it before then.
 
Look I'm no legal expert but there is no legal reason to throw out that audio. He knew he was being taped, there were multiple people in the room (including his staff) and the owner of the tape turned it over it wasn't obtained without cause. Unless there is a missing piece of the story (which we would know since he has commented on the tape publicly) the tape is going to be in.

Unofan would know better but I would think such a ruling would be appealable since it is pre-trial. I did research but couldn't find an answer.

Honestly Trumps attorneys should prepare for how to defend the tape. Better chance to discredit it than get it thrown out imho.
 
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People who are dumb and incompetent don't understand what it looks like to be smart and competent, and when they do think about something basic they don't believe anyone else could have ever thought of it before then.
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Yes! This is exactly how the anti-vax stuff went. Generally speaking, stupid and ignorant people actually believe that because they have never entertained a thought, or read it in a book, then nobody has and they are discovering something profound. This is how conservatives feel when they realize the US is a republic, or how minarchists feel when they discover theories of market information optimiziation, or how libertarians feel when they discover the concept of moral hazard. Whereas intelligent people first thought of things like this in our early teens and incorporated them as one of many factors in weighting our decisions, these people think they have discovered The One Truth, and if our thinking isn't entirely conditioned by it, they honestly think it's because we have never thought of it.

This is how stupid people think. They are too stupid to realize that every piece of information is merely a gate to another million pieces of information. They are not interested in or capable of entering into the curiosity and discovery of the complexity of reality. They jump to a slavish cult following of a scriptural prescription. They must always have certainty, otherwise they melt down in fear.

Honestly, it happens with stupid people on the Left, too, but there it is a bug whereas on the Right it is the entire mission statement due to the authoritarian personality types involved.
 
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Trump's best defense in this case is to keep the jury pool right where it is and find one secret MAGA juror that slipped past being seated to get a hung jury. In all 37 cases. Because he's going to incriminate himself repeatedly between now and closing arguments.
 
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On Cannon's court order yesterday, some more meat.

It is very non-standard to keep witness lists sealed, and many many many media outlets - legit ones - had already petitioned to access them. The DOJ's request to seal it was one page and, apparently, barely gave reasoning. So this was Cannon doing what a normal, good judge would do: deny without prejudice and inform the petitioner why, and what they'd need to do if they actually want to seal the witness list. If the DOJ then writes a very good subsequent petition with evidence of previous intimidation/threats/etc. and she denies it with prejudice, then sure we may have a bigger problem.

But for now, the DOJ offered a tepid request that likely wouldn't have passed any judge.
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Source?
 
Swansong said:
On Cannon's court order yesterday, some more meat.

It is very non-standard to keep witness lists sealed, and many many many media outlets - legit ones - had already petitioned to access them. The DOJ's request to seal it was one page and, apparently, barely gave reasoning. So this was Cannon doing what a normal, good judge would do: deny without prejudice and inform the petitioner why, and what they'd need to do if they actually want to seal the witness list. If the DOJ then writes a very good subsequent petition with evidence of previous intimidation/threats/etc. and she denies it with prejudice, then sure we may have a bigger problem.

But for now, the DOJ offered a tepid request that likely wouldn't have passed any judge.
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Can we read anything into this regarding Cannon's biases? It seems like a sealed witness list might actually help Trump more, politically speaking, than a public one. Sure, a public one might help him intimidate enough witnesses to affect the trial (but there are laws for that), but a private one shields him from all the speculation of, "holy crap - So-and-So is a witness against Trump? She must have something juicy!" Never a good look to see 80% of your former staff lined up as witnesses against you. So, if Cannon were allowing political considerations to come into play, she might have actually granted the DOJ's request for a sealed list, no matter how tepid. So maybe this is good news.....

No?
 
Just me talking out of my non-legal *ss, but I can't see the DoJ being so intricate in formulating their case that they let something go by sloppily at the goal line like that. Occam's razor says it's probably true though.

On the other hand, by not inferring just why they wanted the list sealed and Trump spouting off on Truth Social about the investigator, his family, and friends, might put some teeth into a rebuttal by the DoJ as to the "here's why we want the list to remain sealed," and presenting Trump's post as exhibit A.

it's not 3D chess, it's just giving Trump more rope. What Trump does with the rope is up to him, but it appears he's fashioning a neck tie of sorts on himself from it.
 
LynahFan said:
Can we read anything into this regarding Cannon's biases? It seems like a sealed witness list might actually help Trump more, politically speaking, than a public one. Sure, a public one might help him intimidate enough witnesses to affect the trial (but there are laws for that), but a private one shields him from all the speculation of, "holy crap - So-and-So is a witness against Trump? She must have something juicy!" Never a good look to see 80% of your former staff lined up as witnesses against you. So, if Cannon were allowing political considerations to come into play, she might have actually granted the DOJ's request for a sealed list, no matter how tepid. So maybe this is good news.....

No?
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Isn't it also possible that there are witnesses on that list who prefer to remain anonymous until the trial, they expressed that to the DOJ, the DOJ told the witnesses that it's pretty unusual for a judge to grant such a request but they'll give it a shot, the DOJ files the request but knows they are likely going to lose it?
 
Handyman said:
Look I'm no legal expert but there is no legal reason to throw out that audio. He knew he was being taped, there were multiple people in the room (including his staff) and the owner of the tape turned it over it wasn't obtained without cause. Unless there is a missing piece of the story (which we would know since he has commented on the tape publicly) the tape is going to be in.

Unofan would know better but I would think such a ruling would be appealable since it is pre-trial. I did research but couldn't find an answer.

Honestly Trumps attorneys should prepare for how to defend the tape. Better chance to discredit it than get it thrown out imho.
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A quick google search shows florida is a two-party consent state. Which includes in-person recordings. So unless everyone on that tape consented...
 
dxmnkd316 said:
A quick google search shows florida is a two-party consent state. Which includes in-person recordings. So unless everyone on that tape consented...
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I believe SOP for something like that be to open the conversation with a statement acknowledging that. So the consent happens right away, but then 23 minutes into the conversation we have Dump bragging. The consent is probably so common with this sort of thing, it becomes compulsory (like T&C acceptance).

The two statements are likely in very different parts of the recording.
 
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