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POTUS 45.65: I'm Just Here For The Lincoln Project Ads

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SJHovey said:
I realize you think the only proper election is one where we keep collecting votes until you can declare victory. Tell your boys to step away from tiktok and get their ballot in by Tuesday. Not that hard. I can drive across the country in less time.
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Seriously, why is every accusation a confession from every single Republican? Just because your side does X doesn't mean the other side would.
 
From a legal perspective, the case to be made for counting ballots based on postmark date rather than receipt date is pretty clear. In the same state, Person A mails their ballot 7 days before the election, and Person B mails their ballot 3 days before the election. Based on receipt time, Bs ballot is counted but As is not. This will happen, repeatedly. What interpretation of the right to vote makes this reasonable? Add in a near certainty that far more minorities end up as As than Bs, and this leaves these voter suppression tactics vulnerable to any judge who pays even lip service to voter's rights and equal protection. I suppose that's the rub.
 
SJHovey said:
You want to know what I wonder? I wonder why all these liberals with these huge brains we keep hearing about have such a surprisingly difficult time with a very, very simple task: Pick up ballot, make choice, deliver ballot before election day deadline. It doesn't get a lot easier than that. I mean if you can't even navigate that problem, do we even care that much that your vote might not count?

I don't really give a ratsazz about the "mailbox rule." If the Minnesota legislature wanted to adopt the "mailbox rule" as the election rule in this state, they would have done so. They didn't.

Let me switch it around for you. Let's say that instead of a Democrat in the Sec of State's office, it was a Republican. Let's further assume a Republican group sued the Sec of State arguing that ballots shouldn't be counted unless they are received at least one day before election day, and the Sec of State decided sure, sounds good to me. You'd be ok with that change in the law made unilaterally by the Secretary of State? I think we know the answer.
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Why do you hate people voting? Are you afraid? You sound afraid.
 
Hovey just wants everyone to follow the rules set in place. Nevermind the fact those rules are only in place because his fellow republicans know they can only win if they restrict voting.

At some point, it has to suck to find yourself consistently sharing the same opinion as white supremacists.
 
cF[Authentic said:
;n3611953]Hovey just wants everyone to follow the rules set in place. Nevermind the fact those rules are only in place because his fellow republicans know they can only win if they restrict voting.

At some point, it has to suck to find yourself consistently sharing the same opinion as white supremacists.
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Not if you're ok with those opinions.
 
Slap Shot said:
Why do you think this only impacts liberal voters? Grow up.
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Well in all fairness most conservatives are too stupid to realize this. While the overall level of intelligence in this country has been slowly falling for 30 or 40 years, the average conservative voter's intelligence has positively cratered. What else can you expect from a whole subset of people who decry education? It was inevitable.
 
rufus said:
Not if you're ok with those opinions.
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I don't think Hovey is a white supremacist or a racist (except insofar as we all are to some degree from being raised in a racist society). The scary thing about Hovey is he appears to have a good brain and a good heart and yet his ideology allows him to turn away from the practical results of his political opinions and choices. He is an excellent example of a Good German. He's not a Nazi, but he will vote for Nazis, and then because he votes for Nazis he must convince himself they can't be that bad (otherwise he would be bad for voting for them). That means he must relentlessly attack everyone who opposes Nazis, and he must either ignore or somehow warp all the facts in order to support that one decision.

If Hovey stopped voting for Nazis he would lose about 98% of his cognitive dissonance and anxiety. Why doesn't he? I assume pride. Probably some sense of tribal allegiance and comraderie to people around him who also vote that way. Some of it is identity and there is no fighting that. But some of it is the terrible power of ideology, and that's why I engage with him. It is frightening to see a good person bobbing and weaving to justify amoral choices in the name of some weird neural crap in his head, probably not even put there by him.

For the love of God, everyone:

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WeAreNDHockey said:
While the overall level of intelligence in this country has been slowly falling for 30 or 40 years
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This is not true at all. The level of both intelligence and informedness (wd ch?) in this country has been slowly but steadily rising. What's happening is the access of the stupidest, loudest, and most malicious has exploded, which makes it seem like people are stupider. But those people have always existed. Now they are about 35% of the population (the hard core Dumpies). But every one of them has tools to inflict themselves on us which they didn't have 50 years ago.

I'll bet 50% of the population was as dumb as the Dumpies 50 years ago, and 65% was 100 years ago. Partly they are being educated, partly their poor decisions breed them out over time. We always had to tip toe around them before but since (a) we can't anymore and (b) they are now a small enough population, we are now confronting them directly. We used to have to pretend to agree with some of their idiocies just to get through the day. Now we are slowly realizing that we don't have to live in a lowest common denominator world. We can create a country for us. The apes are shocked; the Plutes who harvested ape votes to keep their power are outraged (and scared). That's the hinge of history we have arrived at.

Win the election, expand the courts, exert our power, buy more time, pump as much education as medicine into these sick communities to save some of their kids, and let nature take its course with the rest. This process has been going on in humanity for a million years. It's how we go from animals to rational beings. It's a relay race: we just have to do our part and let the great chain of humanity advance another link.
 
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Ask people in other countries what they think of our intelligence...trust me it isnt going to be kind. We have dumbed ourselves down to ridiculous levels.
 
Kepler said:
I don't think Hovey is a white supremacist or a racist (except insofar as we all are to some degree from being raised in a racist society).
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You need to get over this fucking stupid idea that Hovey is somehow an upstanding, non-racist person. He may seem more intelligent than an Alabama, but that doesn't make him smart.

There were Germans that were scared to act out and so they were silent. That's not Hovey.

There were Germans that went all in and were Nazis. That's also not Hovey.

But then there's the majority of Germans who didn't do shit because they quietly agreed with what was happening. They're the thousands of citizens living in Dachau, seeing the smoke every day, smelling the filth, and watching the trains. That's exactly where Hovey lives. He'd fit in perfectly at the houses just outside the gates that only say "Work makes you free." And he'll tell all of us we're overreacting to it.
 
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