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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

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Relief eliminates only a part of the problem, true. But you aren't (and neither is the GQP) making that point. You're just saying "no" and insulting anyone who's set to get this relief.
 
Swansong said:
Relief eliminates only a part of the problem, true. But you aren't (and neither is the GQP) making that point. You're just saying "no" and insulting anyone who's set to get this relief.
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Well, first, I just made that point. Second, I'm not insulting anyone who happens to get that relief. Heck, if I had a student loan, I'd be more than happy to get it too. But that doesn't mean that I agree with the way they've gone about doing it.

If you look back, you'll see this discussion started when Kepler wondered what would happen if the relief gets struck down by the courts, and I, in an admittedly snarky fashion responded that I guess they're going to have to repay a loan they earlier promised to pay (the horror).

But if anyone gets the relief, I don't fault them for taking it. They'd be a fool not to.
 
Cheers to Biden for waking me up early this morning when his CAP refueler flew over my house. It was a wonderful start to my Thanksgiving.
 
SJHovey said:
Well, first, I just made that point. Second, I'm not insulting anyone who happens to get that relief. Heck, if I had a student loan, I'd be more than happy to get it too. But that doesn't mean that I agree with the way they've gone about doing it.

If you look back, you'll see this discussion started when Kepler wondered what would happen if the relief gets struck down by the courts, and I, in an admittedly snarky fashion responded that I guess they're going to have to repay a loan they earlier promised to pay (the horror).

But if anyone gets the relief, I don't fault them for taking it. They'd be a fool not to.
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Is it that you're arguing process and not outcome? If this went through Congress rather than via an EO you'd be OK, right? So does it simply boil down to all EOs, regardless of who is in the WH, are bad?
 
TalonsUpPuckDown said:
Is it that you're arguing process and not outcome?
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He is using process as pretext to derail the reform. Conservatives use any tool to hand, and liberals fall for it because they are analytical and fair-minded. But it is in disingenuous. Conservatives themselves are never hamstrung by process, tradition, or institutional norms.

This is the Conservative Credo, always and forever:

“When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles. When I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”
 
What say you?

Biden's decision to side against rail workers is why capitalism and democracy can't coexist. Politicians are weak and our people are cowards. A generation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires who haven't figured out we've been in a class war for 40+ years and losing horribly.
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No war except class war.

The Biden admin has to walk a really line between protecting the rail workers and protecting the economy. I don't envy their position. It's easy for members of congress and the press to say "Yeah, this is easy, support the workers" (which the Biden admin should) when that stance carries very little risk for congress or the press. Say Biden supports the workers and there's a lockout or strike for the month of December. What then? The economy takes a hit and you take the blame.

The biden administration should be very deliberate to frame this as rail barons vs the workers.

(Oh, and don't buy into the nonsense that this will ruin christmas for the entire country. If things are on a railcar now, they aren't going to be hitting shelves for at least two weeks or more. When we are accounting for rail within a schedule at work, it's usually such a long lead with huge variability that you can't actually plan around it. The last time I had to directly deal with a shipment via rail it took a month to get from the east coast to the twin cities. Just an aside. Just don't buy into the christmas will be cancelled scare tactics I'm sure the NYT will be bleating about.)
 
Slap Shot said:
What say you?
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I say that is completely simplistic and right up there with that tweeters often ridiculous ideas, which is why I stopped following him.

Biden worked with the union, the workers voted down the union deal. Biden did exactly what he was supposed to.
 
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Biden wants the Dems to ditch caucuses and demote Iowa and promote South Carolina because it is more diverse...he may be 10000000000 years old but he is more in touch with the country than half his party is!
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Why does he hate the corn farmers? So divisive
 
I'd give it to Michigan before Minnesota. Minnesota is a good Super Tuesday state. It represents nothing about the Democratic Party except being a bunch of pushovers.

Michigan, Massachusetts. Washington, South Carolina, Georgia, Nevada/Arizona. Maybe Colorado. In no particular order. Everyone else on ST.
 
There should be no First.

Have 8 weeks where in each week you have a cross section of demographics. So, e.g., have NH, IA, SC, MS, CT, OR go the first week, CA, ME, NV, AL, PA, KS go the second week, etc...
 
Handyman said:
Biden wants the Dems to ditch caucuses and demote Iowa and promote South Carolina because it is more diverse...he may be 10000000000 years old but he is more in touch with the country than half his party is!
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Nothing more than a payoff to Clyburn for saving his butt during the nomination process.
 
I agree with Kep on this. The process is dumb and assigns far too much weight to small, non-representative states.

But then, I think our entire electoral process is dumb.
 
They should just end the drama, start with California, then NY, then whoever has the next most delegates. Wrap it up early so the rallying around the nominee can commence.
 
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