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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Ditto. If February plays out like it's predicted and being boosted is effectively cutting my risk by 67% relative to the flu, I'm done with most of it. I'll probably still wear a mask while shopping*, we'll be going to more events, oh my god actually having a date night out, having friends over, etc. I'm with you on the proof of vax though. Until we can get the country to 90% boosted, I say keep those restrictions in place. We'll still likely do rapid tests before visiting my 70+ yo parents and my nieces and nephews <5 (until they can get vaxxed).

My wife and I got married the day before the hard lockdowns. We haven't had a "normal" married social life in two years of being married. I'm ready.



*Honestly, I kind of like not getting sick. Even colds with my asthma take me out for a good week and a half. So when I'm back in the office and just sitting at my desk, I'll still probably keep a mask on because we have too many american heroes out there still. Ditto on shopping. It literally doesn't harm me one bit and if anything it keeps me from losing a couple weeks to illness every year, the cost:benefit is effectively infinite.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Ditto. If February plays out like it's predicted and being boosted is effectively cutting my risk by 67% relative to the flu, I'm done with most of it. I'll probably still wear a mask while shopping*, we'll be going to more events, oh my god actually having a date night out, having friends over, etc. I'm with you on the proof of vax though. Until we can get the country to 90% boosted, I say keep those restrictions in place.

My wife and I got married the day before the hard lockdowns. We haven't had a "normal" married social life in two years of being married. I'm ready.



*Honestly, I kind of like not getting sick. Even colds with my asthma take me out for a good week and a half. So when I'm back in the office and just sitting at my desk, I'll still probably keep a mask on because we have too many american heroes out there still. Ditto on shopping. It literally doesn't harm me one bit and if anything it keeps me from losing a couple weeks to illness every year, the cost:benefit is effectively infinite.
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This is me too. I have no issue wearing a mask at my job or out shopping and will always have my vax card on me. Time to get going.

And yeah, not getting a cold is the best part of the Pandemic. Too many people walking around sneezing and spreading their disease everywhere. Masks are smart in many situations.
 
Short of another deck-resetting variant, I don't see any reason that masking/closures need to continue much beyond February (at least, not at the rate we're going). There just isn't enough combustable material left.

International travel is going to be a bit of a headache for a long time, but I think we're very close to the time to take precautions away. We had started to last summer, but then Delta came and messed things up (and, of course, Omicron) so who knows what's in store for us in 2022.
 
Oh absolutely. If another VOC/VOI comes out, everything resets.

We're trying to get our honeymoon in this year. Trying for Scotland. I'm guessing national entry barriers are going to be relaxed to the point of "Proof of vax" and test at the airport for most international travel.
 
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As each day goes by, I am more and more in the "Vaxxed and Done" camp. I'll follow up with annual boosters or whatever is recommended and I'm all for just returning to as normal as possible while keeping some precautions in place (proof of vax to go to an arena etc etc).

At this point if you are not vaccinated you are a moron and should get whatever comes your way.
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I want to be in this camp, but I have a 2 year old. For all I know she already had it, or if she gets it, it might be mild. Either way, I'm not ready to take large risks, some calculated risks have been happening.
 
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Rip the band-aid off... The problem will fix itself within 6 months at this point.
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I heard on BBC that the mutation progression has slowly been up from the lungs to the upper respiratory tract, so, maybe, but I can't help thinking the longer this hangs on the greater the likelihood that it rolls triple 6s and we get the variant that kills us all.
 
Kepler said:
I heard on BBC that the mutation progression has slowly been up from the lungs to the upper respiratory tract, so, maybe, but I can't help thinking the longer this hangs on the greater the likelihood that it rolls triple 6s and we get the variant that kills us all.
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Right, but covid 0 is not going to happen. We will never eliminate it and we can't just keep up this weird status quo.
 
https://twitter.com/bhrenton/status/...xDiPQ5VvUokb5Q

Data from the first week of December. Unvaccinated people are 97x more likely to die from Covid than those vaccinated and boosted.

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Right, but covid 0 is not going to happen. We will never eliminate it and we can't just keep up this weird status quo.
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Oh I get it, it's here to stay. But I'm gonna let the researchers tell me what the best path is to castrate it as just another cold. If that means open up everything now, fine, I miss hockey and ogling pretty girls (as an Ivy fan these are distinct activities with no intersection). But no businessmen or politicians get a vote. Only the people who can find their as-s with two hands and a map.
 
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Oh I get it, it's here to stay. But I'm gonna let the researchers tell me what the best path is to castrate it as just another cold. If that means open up everything now, fine, I miss hockey and ogling pretty girls (as an Ivy fan these are distinct activities with no intersection). But no businessmen or politicians get a vote. Only the people who can find their as-s with two hands and a map.
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It's already there if you're boosted. According to the CDC, the deaths/100k for boosted individuals is ~0.1/100k. For influenza in an average year, it's 0.3/100k not taking into account vaccination status.

Edit: I'm sorry, it's actually higher than that for flu. It's 1.8/100k
 
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It's already there if you're boosted. According to the CDC, the deaths/100k for boosted individuals is ~0.1/100k. For influenza in an average year, it's 0.3/100k not taking into account vaccination status.

Edit: I'm sorry, it's actually higher than that for flu. It's 1.8/100k
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What do we do about the people who can't get vaxxed?
 
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What do we do about the people who can't get vaxxed?
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Once we get the vaccine approved for <5, I don't think we can continue to hold society at bay because a very small fraction can't get vaxxed. These are likely the same people who can't get the flu or pneumonia or any of the other mitigable ugly contagious diseases. Pfizer's antiviral is showing promise and we may still be able to get new MAbs on the market that work. We have treatment options now.

It's going to be a bloodbath at the polls if we keep schools even remote or have mask mandates etc. NPI mandates are going to be anchors around the neck of anyone who requires them.

I'm not going to fault someone if they wear a mask or don't go to the movies or stay at home. I'm just at the point where I can't stay at home anymore. Call me selfish, but when we've reached the stage where Covid has run out of bodies, the hospitals aren't full, and it's as manageable As the flu, I'm done.
 
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What do we do about the people who can't get vaxxed?
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They have to make the choice that is best for them. We can't be the people who say "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and then basically hold everyone in a holding pattern because some people can't get vaxxed. That is beyond hypocritical.

If masks help the ones who can't get vaxxed should wear them in situations where they are at risk. It isnt like there is going to be laws outlawing masks just because the world re-opens. People wore masks before when they were immunocompromised or had other risks.

We all sacrificed so we could get to this point...it is time.
 
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