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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

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France recalled their ambassadors to the US and Australia over the US-Australia sub deal. Hissy fit, much?

I don’t understand this one at all. We’re working to contain China and not sure why they’re not on board.

Was reading an article on our Air Force today and it made the point we’ve never had an older fleet of planes as we do now. It’s pretty shocking for the amount of money we spend. And we wrecked a B-2 Tuesday night.
 
I don’t understand this one at all. We’re working to contain China and not sure why they’re not on board.

Was reading an article on our Air Force today and it made the point we’ve never had an older fleet of planes as we do now. It’s pretty shocking for the amount of money we spend. And we wrecked a B-2 Tuesday night.

That's because they wasted a zillion dollars on F-35's that don't work.
 
That's because they wasted a zillion dollars on F-35's that don't work.

It truly is baffling how many F-35’s we’re going to buy when they have very limited capability. It would have made a lot more sense to buy more F-22’s instead. Those are also ungodly expensive but at least there is a clear and very important role they play.
 
That's because they wasted a zillion dollars on F-35's that don't work.
Not just dollars. Years. The ASTOVL DARPA program started in 1983, and the F-35B declared IOC in 2015. That’s an incredible 32 years to develop and field an airplane. It’s no wonder the other planes are getting long in the tooth while we’re waiting for F-35 production to come even close to its original plan of 300+ jets per year.
 
If we just took all the best proven top of the line 70s and 80s weapons -- fighter, bomber, destroyer, sub -- and did new production blocks of them with the latest clean avionics and computers, would we be outgunned? Seems like we have an incredible body of experience and expertise and we could churn those out by the hundreds at the same cost as the white elephants, but with cheaper O&M and practically no failure rate.
 
As much as I love F22s*, they were far too costly to keep in the air, they had design flaws, and while they are perfectly cromulent for air-to-ground missions, their bread and butter is air-to-air. And well, we don't exactly need that.


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If we just took all the best proven top of the line 70s and 80s weapons -- fighter, bomber, destroyer, sub -- and did new production blocks of them with the latest clean avionics and computers, would we be outgunned? Seems like we have an incredible body of experience and expertise and we could churn those out by the hundreds at the same cost as the white elephants, but with cheaper O&M and practically no failure rate.

Honestly, I don't know if outgunned is the right word. But the tech on the newer fighters was just too much to pass up. The F22s have never lost a dogfight IIRC. The stealth tech alone is good enough to smoke everything.

But honestly the maneuverability of the F22 was beyond belief compared to the tech of the day. Vectored exhaust was a pretty neat trick.
 
Honestly, I don't know if outgunned is the right word. But the tech on the newer fighters was just too much to pass up. The F22s have never lost a dogfight IIRC. The stealth tech alone is good enough to smoke everything.

But honestly the maneuverability of the F22 was beyond belief compared to the tech of the day. Vectored exhaust was a pretty neat trick.
Neither has the F-15, it has a 108-0 kill ratio.

Not sure if there was a way to make the F-15 stealthier but there were development versions with thrust vectoring.
 
Heck, the F-16 is 76-1, and that 1 was a Turkish F-16 shot down by another western aircraft, a Greek Mirage 2000.

https://migflug.com/jetflights/the-combat-statistics-for-all-the-aircraft-currently-in-use/

unfortunately, just dropping in modern avionics to an old airframe is not nearly as simple as it sounds. To even have a chance, the purchasing organization was ruthless in terms of not letting a single engineer on the project upgrade anything “because I’m changing it anyway.”
 
I will never in my life understand how honest Christians aren't horrified by all that is Donald Trump. He is the living antithesis of everything they claim to be, yet they love him.

If you love trump you are not an "honest" anything, save for a stupid, bigoted mouth breathing piece of stool.
 
French foreign minister was really on one again today.

Kepler - the new F-15 is taking your idea. I think it makes sense for some things but you always need to be improving and trying new things because our enemies undoubtedly will be. We don’t want to get caught in another situation like we did in the late 30’s.
 
There is a lot of value in having wings of "old" planes (i.e. - planes that are not very modern, not very expensive stealth fighters). Air National Guard doesn't necessarily need stealth, especially when alternatives like the F15 are relatively cheap and remain incredibly combat effective.

The F35 has been plagued by having far too much demanded of it, I think. I've read a lot about the plane - the development, requirements, use, etc. Having three distinct variants already separates from the original mandate for one plane to do everything, for example. The military simply wanted the impossible and the time required to develop this mystical plane necessarily takes so long that the requirements change substantially by the time they get even halfway through.

But even if the F35 gets classified as a failure (I don't believe it is, but I'm far from an expert on this), the technologies it pushed and integrated are insane. The substantially expanded fly-by-wire frees pilots up to concentrate on mission. Data connectivity between planes substantially improves radar projection and reduces the need for larger, undefended AWACS (not replaces, but reduces). The integrated camera/helmet view gives pilots better visibility and awareness than any plane before it. It gets something like 2/3 the thrust of the Russian SU-57 with only one engine (our engine tech has always been a decade or two beyond theirs).

It's a tremendous fighter plane that faced an impossible set of development requirements and still met almost all of them. Of course there are going to be frustrations, setbacks, small failures, etc. But holding each one of them up and declaring the program a failure is myopic. And this is also, I think, technically one of two all-the-way 5th generation fighters as the SU-57 and Chinese J-20 cannot super cruise without afterburner. (though that is up for debate and the Russians reject this as a definitional aspect of a 5th gen fighter).
 
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I want new P-38s. Just cuz they are so ridiculously cool.

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For bombers nobody will ever beat the B-2, nor for recon the SR-71.
 
There is a lot of value in having wings of "old" planes (i.e. - planes that are not very modern, not very expensive stealth fighters). Air National Guard doesn't necessarily need stealth, especially when alternatives like the F15 are relatively cheap and remain incredibly combat effective.

The F35 has been plagued by having far too much demanded of it, I think. I've read a lot about the plane - the development, requirements, use, etc. Having three distinct variants already separates from the original mandate for one plane to do everything, for example. The military simply wanted the impossible and the time required to develop this mystical plane necessarily takes so long that the requirements change substantially by the time they get even halfway through.

But even if the F35 gets classified as a failure (I don't believe it is, but I'm far from an expert on this), the technologies it pushed and integrated are insane. The substantially expanded fly-by-wire frees pilots up to concentrate on mission. Data connectivity between planes substantially improves radar projection and reduces the need for larger, undefended AWACS (not replaces, but reduces). The integrated camera/helmet view gives pilots better visibility and awareness than any plane before it. It gets something like 2/3 the thrust of the Russian SU-57 with only one engine (our engine tech has always been a decade or two beyond theirs).

It's a tremendous fighter plane that faced an impossible set of development requirements and still met almost all of them. Of course there are going to be frustrations, setbacks, small failures, etc. But holding each one of them up and declaring the program a failure is myopic. And this is also, I think, technically one of two all-the-way 5th generation fighters as the SU-57 and Chinese J-20 cannot super cruise without afterburner. (though that is up for debate and the Russians reject this as a definitional aspect of a 5th gen fighter).

The problem we have with most of the F-15’s we are flying right now is that they are at the end of the road. I can see the logic of replacing them with a new generation of F-15 but if the new gen F-15 is say $50MM a plane cheaper than a F-22 is that savings really that meaningful? I think in general we don’t place enough emphasis on protecting the continental US and just assume no one will ever attack because we’re the US.

Maybe the biggest issue we have with a lot of the new weapons systems we develop is cost expectations. I read once the only thing more expensive than a first rate Air Force was a second rate one. Whether we like it or not there are always going to be Nazi Germany type countries out there and we’re going to have to deal with them whether we like it or not.
 
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