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Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

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I'm relieved there weren't more casualties among the Nazis not because I respect Nazis but because we don't need them having martyrs.

This was terrorism. We don't need Cruz and Hawley tub thumping the Capitol Building is the Winter Palace and this was Bloody Sunday and 74 million dips mindlessly repeating it.

We are facing a long project of DeNazification (which we should study as a precedent that worked). Bloodshed will just give these psychopaths something to rally around and a reason to cling to their cult even tighter. You can see their avoidance to realize what they have become here on the Cafe. Now imagine even less intelligent and more vicious conservatives out there in the wild, fully armed and drunk on their own farts.

By this logic I suppose we should have refrained from killing so many of the 1940s version of Nazis.

Your belief that bloodshed will just give these psychopaths something to rally around would be wildly laughable if it wasn't so go dd amn naive. These people are 100% all in. And they are all in forever. And if dozens, or hundreds, or every last fvcking one of them, had been shot by police as they were storming the Capitol building instead of just the one, I would have said don't wage war on the United States if you don't want a hellfire of bullets to be what greets you. For one thing, it would mean that we finally had some assurance that those we stupidly think are there to enforce the laws and serve and protect actually do take that oath seriously.

If there was any doubt on Wednesday morning that these people want a shooting war, it is gone. The only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing that prevented more of those enemy combatants from being killed is that law enforcement was complicit in this attack. Some wittingly, others probably not so much. Sicknick was sacrificed for the cause.
 
Weird that we shouldn’t impeach now because it won’t unite the country.

I don’t recall national morale being part of the clause to impeach, nor did it seem like impeaching Clinton united the populace.
 
Too late for anything other then erasure if they gather again with the same intentions. Horse is out of the barn. But I guess they will stupidly gather again next weekend, but this time if they even fart wrong, eliminate. You do not give those seeking a government overthrow an inch. No rights, nothing. Give them only a choice. Revolutionaries have no excuses, to include a brainwashing excuse.
Choose wisely, as it should be their last chance to decide if they want to continue an overthrow.
 
Weird that we shouldn’t impeach now because it won’t unite the country.

I don’t recall national morale being part of the clause to impeach, nor did it seem like impeaching Clinton united the populace.

Weird how we could confirm acb right after rgb death right before an election
 
Too late for anything other then erasure if they gather again with the same intentions. Horse is out of the barn. But I guess they will stupidly gather again next weekend, but this time if they even fart wrong, eliminate. You do not give those seeking a government overthrow an inch. No rights, nothing. Give them only a choice. Revolutionaries have no excuses, to include a brainwashing excuse.
Choose wisely, as it should be their last chance to decide if they want to continue an overthrow.

Massive oversimplification. If you declare war on them you need to be prepared for them to declare on war on the rest of the population. Don't forget which side a lot of law enforcement is on. And how much does the military really help in a situation like this? It's easy to say **** them but actually dealing with the issue is much more complicated.
 
Here’s the white cop getting crushed and yelling for help.
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1347749675777011714

then there’s the video of the black guard being chased up stairs by white maga larps. Imagine if a group of black men had chased a lone security guard?

And none of those other cops did anything? No pepper spray or takers, or rubber bullets, or even real bullets?

When they'd raze a black guy just for looking at them? When that former Navy Seal or whatever he was, in Portland, stood alone in front of a line of them while they pelted him with rubber bullets and tear gas? One man, just standing there?

Yeah, we need to respect the police. Cowards and bullies, the lot of them.
 
They're all in because they think nothing is going to happen to them. That they can do whatever they want, to whoever they want, and not suffer any consequences. Because that's how its been so far. Look at the Bundys and their occupation of that national park thing in Oregon. One guy ended up getting killed, but the rest just got slapped on the wrist, and were right back at it the next day.

The minute these mobs start seeing dozens of the people around them taking one in the grape is the minute they start thinking maybe this wasn't such a good idea. And maybe they should be doing something else instead.

But not until that starts happening will anything dissuade them. They've already got all the incentive they want to be doing what they are. Nothing is gonna make that grow any more than it already is.
 
Weird that we shouldn’t impeach now because it won’t unite the country.

I don’t recall national morale being part of the clause to impeach, nor did it seem like impeaching Clinton united the populace.

They weren't worried about uniting the country when they were refusing to recognize Biden as the duly elected president.
 
Massive oversimplification. If you declare war on them you need to be prepared for them to declare on war on the rest of the population. Don't forget which side a lot of law enforcement is on. And how much does the military really help in a situation like this? It's easy to say **** them but actually dealing with the issue is much more complicated.

That's why you have your guns. You can finally have your cause to use them. Ain't democracy great?
 
Force understands force. Violence understands violence. This enemy wants a war. It just proved to the world it will use violence as a means to an end.

If we can solve this problem peacefully, by all means solve it peacefully. Had no enemy combatant breached a fence or doorway or barricade on Wednesday then killing any of them would have been an unjustifiable overreaction. Once they did and did so violently, and as is becoming more apparent everyday with the intent on doing a lot more than smashing a few windows or pooping on a few desks, they should all have been subject to whatever measures were necessary to drive them out of the building and away from the grounds. Including deadly force even if that meant dozens or hundreds dead.

The officer who fired on Babbitt did his job. Properly. My guess is one of the things that held some of them back was wondering which of their fellow officers were in on it, or sympathized with the enemy. That is the only reason I can even remotely justify fewer shots being fired.
 
This. Stop trying humanize Trashli Babbitt, along with that retired AF colonel who was ID'ed, and the rest of the rubes who committed armed insurrection against the government on Wednesday. They aren't patriots - they stopped caring about America as a democratic republic years ago. They are terrorists who were radicalized by far-right media and the echo chambers they built for themselves, and they care only for their own delusional version of "truth".

And stop talking about mental illness as a factor. Where was all the "Islamic Terrorists Were Brainwashed" rants after 9/11? Just because they joined a cult doesn't mean they get any sympathy. We can discuss their pathology after they die or are stuck in FPMITA Prison.

The problem a lot of people seem to be having is that they EXPECT BLM to act this way because Black People are inherently violent and rather angry and savage. (the Left subconsciously do this a LOT) But when it is the guy who lives down the street who always has the Christmas Lights up, hands out halloween candy dressed as a pirate and has that dog that always is so friendly when you walk by...the guy you see at church or when grabbing drinks at the bar? Obviously it cant be that he is just a friggin loser and a violent troll. He is just like me!! He must have snapped or he must be getting senile! If he can be evil...

You know who isnt surprised...the wives of these people who see what they are like far away from the prying eyes of the public. The ones who wear lots of concealer around their eyes and take anxiety meds like they are pez candies. The ones who "trip and fall" or "ran into the door" after he had his 12 pack of Miller High Life. This isnt mental illness, this is misogyny and testosterone mixed with racism and anger. It has always been there only now they had a guy ten times worse, who backed up all their grievances and used his bully pulpit to tell the world how they were right all along. Then they all went to the internet and threw gas on the fire.

There is no deprogramming these losers short of hardcore medication, massive amounts of psychotherapy, sobriety and prison sentences. They arent leaving Scientology where they were often beaten or bullied, they are leaving a mass congregation of anarchy and hate where they have been told their violence and hatred is not only justified, but welcomed. No action too big or small, no grievance unheard. You cant deprogram that short of cutting off the head and watching it all whither away. That is why Trump needs to go to prison...he must not be allowed to flee or he will become twice the hero in exile. It is why MAGAts and Qtards need to be expelled from Congress if they dont disavow. People like Mo Brooks need to be arrested for incitement as do Lin Wood, Powell, Rudy and anyone who is identified at the Capitol. And I dont want them charged with trespassing...they must all be charged with the highest crime they can be based on what we can see and prove.

If we want this to end, then we need to make an example out of it. You want to break the grip MAGA has on some of these people...show them what happens when you threaten the Government. All they understand is what happens when you fcuk around and find out. So show them...or the next time it will be way worse.
 
Force understands force. Violence understands violence. This enemy wants a war. It just proved to the world it will use violence as a means to an end.

If we can solve this problem peacefully, by all means solve it peacefully. Had no enemy combatant breached a fence or doorway or barricade on Wednesday then killing any of them would have been an unjustifiable overreaction. Once they did and did so violently, and as is becoming more apparent everyday with the intent on doing a lot more than smashing a few windows or pooping on a few desks, they should all have been subject to whatever measures were necessary to drive them out of the building and away from the grounds. Including deadly force even if that meant dozens or hundreds dead.

The officer who fired on Babbitt did his job. Properly. My guess is one of the things that held some of them back was wondering which of their fellow officers were in on it, or sympathized with the enemy. That is the only reason I can even remotely justify fewer shots being fired.

I’m not sure there is any solution other than a peaceful one. If violence truly starts it will be hard to end. This isn’t like the Civil War when it was one part of the country versus the other.
 
I’m not sure there is any solution other than a peaceful one. If violence truly starts it will be hard to end. This isn’t like the Civil War when it was one part of the country versus the other.

The peaceful genie is out of the fvcking bottle. Hell, it probably started with the attempting kidnap plot against Michigan's governor. Is it beyond any reasonable belief that what happened Wednesday and what almost happened to the Michigan governor were not born of the same groups? And it's just our own bad d am n luck that this isn't like the 19th century Civil War. But just because the enemy has taken up residence in all 50 states doesn't mean they are going to get a pass.

I just hope, again channeling my inner Condollezza Rice, that the smoking gun is not dozens of dead Senators or Representatives, or perhaps a President-Elect, or Vice-President-Elect, or maybe an outgoing Vice-President. The MAGAts want a war. They are prepared to give it to us. I'm not sure the wise course of action is to greet their war with a suggestion of working across the aisle.
 
They're all in because they think nothing is going to happen to them. That they can do whatever they want, to whoever they want, and not suffer any consequences. Because that's how its been so far. Look at the Bundys and their occupation of that national park thing in Oregon. One guy ended up getting killed, but the rest just got slapped on the wrist, and were right back at it the next day.

The minute these mobs start seeing dozens of the people around them taking one in the grape is the minute they start thinking maybe this wasn't such a good idea. And maybe they should be doing something else instead.

But not until that starts happening will anything dissuade them. They've already got all the incentive they want to be doing what they are. Nothing is gonna make that grow any more than it already is.

I dont think even that will help. People were whining they got tear gassed because they think they are revolutionaries. If they get shot, they still wont understand and will only make them angrier.

They think this is Les Miserables and they are the French Revolutionaries.

(I am not saying we shouldnt use force...just saying it wont change a single mind)
 
Massive oversimplification. If you declare war on them you need to be prepared for them to declare on war on the rest of the population. Don't forget which side a lot of law enforcement is on. And how much does the military really help in a situation like this? It's easy to say **** them but actually dealing with the issue is much more complicated.

Don’t see why it is oversimplification.
THEY have declared war, ALREADY!. I’ll repeat, they have a CHOICE to be law abiding, but if they choose to overthrow the government then, bleed. EFF ‘em. Any cops or military that assist a revolution can also go down. They took an oath. Uphold or else.
True revolutionaries that are formidable don’t wear masks to hide behind and then scurry like rats erasing social media posts when found.
Abide with laws or erase, now, before the infection spreads.
The comments that were relayed to me from a Veterans home while this was ongoing and they watched were gut wrenching. (and most definitely didn’t include holding hands singing kumbya).
 
I’m not sure there is any solution other than a peaceful one. If violence truly starts it will be hard to end. This isn’t like the Civil War when it was one part of the country versus the other.

All a peaceful solution will do is kick the can down the road. You don't negotiate with terrorists except to stall out til you take them out. (see also: Bank Robbers or Hostage Takers)

We placated the Bushies in the name of unity. That lead to the Tea Party. We placated them in the name of unity. That lead to the Fredumb Caucus. We placated them in the name of unity. That lead to the MAGAs. You cannot just keep pretending it will go away because it always comes back worse. History bares this out. All you need to do is look at the rise of Fascism and we are marching along to the same drumbeat man.

I get what you are saying but this is a step too far now. They brought armed conflict to the Capitol. They desecrated the halls of Congress and put the entire Legislature in danger. They threatened the life of the VP and the SOTH and stole documents and laptops. Those are high crimes. They made themselves enemy combatants. Would we go all kumbaya if a foreign actor did this? (well the GOP would with Russia but I digress)
 
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