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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Swansong said:
Kepler answered, but I think the undercounting in India is far, far greater than even here in the early days.
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Maybe. But it does seem that they are at least pleading for help. As opposed to the US, where dumpy withheld supplies because he wanted to pretend that it was ok. And then people like him and his morons (jebbie- you are the one here) have done everything they could to kill as many Americans as they possibly could.

Also, as has been pointed out, India is hardly a wealthy country with supposedly the best of the best systems. So in stark comparison, most would still point to Dec 2019-Jan2021 as some of the worst days in American history in terms of innocent people dying due to very specific INTENT to do what they did. What happened in the US was not an accident.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05/health/vaccines-efficacy-coronavirus-variants-reports/index.html

This is GREAT news.

A booster shot of Moderna's coronavirus vaccine revs up the immune response against two worrying coronavirus variants, the company reported Wednesday.

And a booster dose formulated specifically to match the B.1.351 variant first seen in South Africa was even more effective, Moderna said in a statement.
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Moderna tested booster doses of either its current vaccine or a version designed specifically against B.1.351 in 40 people who had already been vaccinated six to eight months before. Blood tests showed half these volunteers had a low antibody response against B.1.351 and the P.1 variant first seen in Brazil before they got the booster shot. Two weeks after the booster, their antibody levels had grown against the so-called wild type coronavirus -- the variant most common around the world -- as well as B.1.351 and P.1, Moderna said in the statement.
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Also, Pfizer/BioNTech is looking to get authorization for use of their vaccine in 2- to 11-year-olds in September.
 
MichVandal said:
Also, as has been pointed out, India is hardly a wealthy country with supposedly the best of the best systems. So in stark comparison, most would still point to Dec 2019-Jan2021 as some of the worst days in American history in terms of innocent people dying due to very specific INTENT to do what they did. What happened in the US was not an accident.
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With the wealth and technical capabilities we have at our disposal we should have been among the least hard hit countries when it came to covid, not one of the worst. I definitely don't think this was an accident. I think it was hoped by the facists to be a precurser to a civil war. They saw the sacrifice of over a half million Americans as worth it if they could have seen an actual, successful insurrection. They almost got their wish.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
With the wealth and technical capabilities we have at our disposal we should have been among the least hard hit countries when it came to covid, not one of the worst. I definitely don't think this was an accident. I think it was hoped by the facists to be a precurser to a civil war. They saw the sacrifice of over a half million Americans as worth it if they could have seen an actual, successful insurrection. They almost got their wish.
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I still think its racial. When it first hit, the administration and the Republicans were all on board doing what they needed to do to help save lives. lockdowns, quick passage of relief and aid bills etc. Then, after a few weeks, it was discovered that the virus was disproportionately effecting the poor and people of color than it was white folks, and suddenly you had the calls for opening back up, Republican intransigence towards more bailouts, the open back up protests at state capitols, the revolts against mask-wearing, etc.

Once white folks figured it was something they didn't really have to worry about, for the most part, they didn't give a crap anymore.
 
Sounds like the US is going to back IP waivers. I'm really of two minds on this... In the right application, this is a really, really good idea. But it sounds like waiving IP here isn't the issue. It's the actual manufacturing process, the manufacturing engineering expertise, and the raw materials that are in extremely short supply. You could figuratively send copies of the construction documents and manufacturing SOPs to every major pharma company on earth, and you still wouldn't get those plants up and running for a year or two. By then, Moderna and Pfizer will have already scaled up their processes and smoothed out the kinks without putting at risk the incentive to develop new vaccines.

On the other hand, I fully appreciate the need to get this technology out there. mRNA is going to revolutionize vaccines in the next ten years. I predict we will have something like a "universal" flu vaccine within a decade. We may see an end to other infectious diseases. And the real jackpot is a more effective cancer treatment. Holding that tech to just two or three companies could gut the progress we could make for the next 20 years. We have an opportunity and an interest in nations investing in this specific tech right now. Not just companies, nations. Also, my gut says the disincentive to innovate by denying IP protection in this one case is going to be limited. It's the same argument that you disincentivize people's desire to make more money by setting very high top marginal rates. (Because you don't, you still make more money when you make more money.) If Moderna invents a universal flu vaccine, they're going to make serious bank regardless of whether the COVID vaccine is given IP protection. The money doesn't go away, you jus t need to get there fastest. So this move may actually improve the desire to innovate at more aggressive pace.

I also think there's a perfectly reasonable clause somewhere about once-a-century pandemics and telling shareholders and their desire for profits to go fuck themselves.
 
If you’re an adult, you can handle hearing speech you don’t like without demanding censorship. It’s something to strive for on your way to adulthood.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
With the wealth and technical capabilities we have at our disposal we should have been among the least hard hit countries when it came to covid, not one of the worst. I definitely don't think this was an accident. I think it was hoped by the facists to be a precurser to a civil war. They saw the sacrifice of over a half million Americans as worth it if they could have seen an actual, successful insurrection. They almost got their wish.
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All the nopes. We do not have wealth or technical capabilities at our disposal. They are in the hands of those who need to make a profit and are only used if there is a way to make one.

BBC has been running multiple stories about India- reporters going out to the crematoriums and reporting that the numbers from the Govt are not even close to what the Crematoriums are reporting. Running out of O2, beds, vaccine impossible to access- appts made are being cancelled d/t lack of product. India's economy needs a cash infusion. Maybe we should send the impervious like jeb for a vacation to see the Taj Mahal? It is a beautiful place.

Seems like there will be pockets of safety and pockets of stupidity. I wonder if that will affect travel and tourism. They are saying that many people are still quite willing to be cautious and it isn't hard to find out vaccination and infection rates. I wouldn't go near Deathsantos State or any of the places where they are actively working to keep things unsafe.
 
leswp1 said:
Seems like there will be pockets of safety and pockets of stupidity. I wonder if that will affect travel and tourism. They are saying that many people are still quite willing to be cautious and it isn't hard to find out vaccination and infection rates. I wouldn't go near Deathsantos State or any of the places where they are actively working to keep things unsafe.
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As I've mentioned before, that factor will certainly affect our tourism. Highly unlikely we will go to Florida anytime soon for our normal vacations- especially if the ships decide to cave on Dumsantos' anti vax requirement. I see a lot of people on the cruise boards would would just want to require passengers to be 100% vaccinated, and with the kids soon to be added to that list- getting to the 95% passenger vax rate seems pretty possible later this summer.

Right now, the only places we would sail from would be New York or Puerto Rico- both of which are taking their proper time to be ready.

edit- one thing to add- this less about us being safe, and more about the idiots that Florida elected to run the state. We can take our tourist dollars someplace else. He can still change the path, but I don't see that happening.
 
MichVandal said:
As I've mentioned before, that factor will certainly affect our tourism. Highly unlikely we will go to Florida anytime soon for our normal vacations- especially if the ships decide to cave on Dumsantos' anti vax requirement. I see a lot of people on the cruise boards would would just want to require passengers to be 100% vaccinated, and with the kids soon to be added to that list- getting to the 95% passenger vax rate seems pretty possible later this summer.

Right now, the only places we would sail from would be New York or Puerto Rico- both of which are taking their proper time to be ready.

edit- one thing to add- this less about us being safe, and more about the idiots that Florida elected to run the state. We can take our tourist dollars someplace else. He can still change the path, but I don't see that happening.
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No one cares where you are going to set sail from. Just like no one cares when narcissists post a vaccine or mask selfie.

Florida will be fine as people have flocked there over the last 6 months.

Maybe you can set sail out of a Covid Restriction paradise like CA. You know a State with the strictest most stringent Covid restrictions and faired worse off than Florida. Boy Voyage, don’t forget your booster.

Just your friendly reminder, Covid is not a religion. Even if there is a cult like following.
 
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I'm still waiting on scheduled cruise out of Fla. in September. Been canceled twice. Lets see if its canceled again?
 
walrus said:
I'm still waiting on scheduled cruise out of Fla. in September. Been canceled twice. Lets see if its canceled again?
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Given the news from the last few days, the odds of it happening is getting better and better. I'm betting that cruising will start back up in July, and slowly phase in. The question is how they do it- either with test cruises (with lots of testing) or vaccine targets.
 
MichVandal said:
Given the news from the last few days, the odds of it happening is getting better and better. I'm betting that cruising will start back up in July, and slowly phase in. The question is how they do it- either with test cruises (with lots of testing) or vaccine targets.
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No Alaska cruises anytime soon with Canada closing their borders still.
 
MichVandal said:
As I've mentioned before, that factor will certainly affect our tourism. Highly unlikely we will go to Florida anytime soon for our normal vacations- especially if the ships decide to cave on Dumsantos' anti vax requirement. I see a lot of people on the cruise boards would would just want to require passengers to be 100% vaccinated, and with the kids soon to be added to that list- getting to the 95% passenger vax rate seems pretty possible later this summer.

Right now, the only places we would sail from would be New York or Puerto Rico- both of which are taking their proper time to be ready.

edit- one thing to add- this less about us being safe, and more about the idiots that Florida elected to run the state. We can take our tourist dollars someplace else. He can still change the path, but I don't see that happening.
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It's not even really up to them, it's up to any country they plan to dock in. Most countries (Canada included) require ALL passengers to comply with whatever vaccination rules they have or the ship cannot dock.

So moron Trump wannabe governors can pass all the laws they want, but if Princess Cruises or Holland America wants to dock in Puerto Rico, Canada or any of the island nations in the Caribbean, they're going to need to require vaccinations that meet the strictest rules.


Also, and I ask this rhetorically, I thought the GQP was all for businesses to decide for themselves? Except this. Or wedding cakes for gay marriages. Or anything else the hypocrites don't like.
 
Swansong said:
It's not even really up to them, it's up to any country they plan to dock in. Most countries (Canada included) require ALL passengers to comply with whatever vaccination rules they have or the ship cannot dock.

So moron Trump wannabe governors can pass all the laws they want, but if Princess Cruises or Holland America wants to dock in Puerto Rico, Canada or any of the island nations in the Caribbean, they're going to need to require vaccinations that meet the strictest rules.


Also, and I ask this rhetorically, I thought the GQP was all for businesses to decide for themselves? Except this. Or wedding cakes for gay marriages. Or anything else the hypocrites don't like.
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That's going to be the kicker, isn't it? I have to imagine that vaccine passports are going to force these covidiots into a smaller and smaller world.
 
Kepler said:
If this ends the cruise industry it will not have been in vain.
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as someone that lives in a small town that gets hundreds of cruise ship visits a year (sometimes more cruise ship visitors than actual residents in town on a given day)

I fucking hope so
 
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