MichVandal
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You are at work? We are still not going until June, at least. At least a gross majority of our engineering and management.
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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020
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You are at work? We are still not going until June, at least. At least a gross majority of our engineering and management.
4 negatives. Whoo hoo. Back at work this morning....
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Good. Don't die, that's a dick move.
wolverineTrumpet
not particularly bad
Yes. Even back in March or April or whenever a lot of automotive shut down for a bit, we stayed open. They even issued letters proclaiming us "essential" as part of agriculture and/or infrastructure in case we were questioned on our way to or from work.
As manufacturing support, when my old boss was my boss I was at least working from home a few days a week, but some days I do need to interact with production or physically investigate issues. With the plant manager as my boss, he likes to schedule in person meetings so I've been on site everyday since August or so.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Back in October my nephew, his wife, and two girls all tested positive. They all recovered, and the worst case they had felt like a mild cold. Still, your situation just reminded me of his situation as being the complete opposite of yours.
jjuliajul11
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I'm worried that my husband and I won't get sick. He has diabetes and I buy rybelsus for his treatment. He is not in very good health like me, so we still take vitamins and try to exercise regularly. I hope it will end soon and we will live as before
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French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
You only have to worry about computer viruses.
wolverineTrumpet
not particularly bad
To the one that I should ignore, but for some reason couldn't. The 3 positive tests at my plant this month have all been symptomatic fever, headache, body aches, extreme fatigue
MichVandal
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It's interesting how so many people are so willing to blow off the fact that so many people are suffering in hospitals and so many have died.
While it's a fact that most people don't suffer, all that does is give one some relief that if they get infected, the odds are better that they won't suffer than get sick and die. Nobody disagrees with that data.
Just that when you focus only on that, it pretty much blows off all the +400,000 dead Americans and the billions of dollars we are spending on keeping other people alive in hospitals. All of which could have been avoided had this been taken seriously a year ago. Including quickly putting direct relief checks to people who's business had to be shut down. It would have been a lot easier to keep the spread down if people were not suffering so much with closed businesses.
Alas, playing the political game murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans, spend billions in healthcare, and millions of people are long term out of jobs and suffering.
This is exactly where the concept of "personal responsibility" breaks down. The inaction of the prior administration pushed the decision down into the hands of individual business owners: do I shut down at great personal economic cost to me and my employees, or do I remain open and hope for the best? When there are millions of individuals "flipping that same coin," there will be millions who will take the risk - certainly enough to maintain critical mass for further spread of the virus. Since the virus is going to spread anyway, then where's the virtue in being one of the responsible ones who choose to shut down? So then even more people will make the risky choice, and on and on. It's a classic "free rider" problem.
The only way we can collectively do the right thing is if we do it....collectively. i.e. through government policy. It's the only way.
MichVandal
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And the only government structure that can afford to do that is the federal.
Our MI governor has been bashed for being careful in spite of the lost business- where she is responsible for the health of the population. But over the decades of shrinking MI's government, there was no chance that the state could pay for business to shut down.
I should just stop- once this became a political game a year ago, there was no way R's would go for the direct relief. Just over a year since they had signed a bill to give direct relief to very wealthy people and corporations. And the COVID bills were more directed at corporate relief than worker relief. All of the blame for small companies rested on the governors when the blame was directly with the president and his racist party.
Makes my blood boil. Coulda, woulda, shoulda- didn't, quite intentionally.
Relief focused on the business side is exactly the sort of leftover supply side economics that we've been seeing for 40 years or more. As a yoot, I thought that the theory behind trickle down economics was sound. Unfortunately, like many solid-seeming theories. it did not pan out. The PPP plan was the very embodiment of that, as is the Republican refusal to take responsibility for how horrendously it was administered.
Lot of travelers to and from Minnesota.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Michael Osterholm just was on MSNBC and helped explain the issues with getting the vaccine in arms. Says he thinks in the next 2-4 weeks that the issues should be resolved. Basically since Operation Warp Speed did nothing to set up the infrastructure for how the vaccine would be delivered it was never going to work. Mentioned how Minnesota's issue was it set aside too much for the long term care facilities originally and now is shifting all of that to the 65+ crowd.
Then when asked if he thinks the current plateau is a sign of things getting better he flat out said no that it is going to get worse especially because of the new variants.
Meanwhile it sounds like early next week Johnson and Johnson should release their Phase 3 numbers for their one shot vaccine.
Then when asked if he thinks the current plateau is a sign of things getting better he flat out said no that it is going to get worse especially because of the new variants.
Meanwhile it sounds like early next week Johnson and Johnson should release their Phase 3 numbers for their one shot vaccine.
Challenger007
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Yes, the state must be tougher. Small businesses need help, but general isolation is a must. Unfortunately, in a democratic society and with an active struggle for their rights and freedoms, this is problematic.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Same reason one of the variants was found at Michigan and shut down their athletic department. People travel and people are selfish.
MichVandal
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Just as selfish is that some students are so upset about losing 2 weeks of their season. This isn't a cancelation, and none of them are losing the benefits of being a student athlete. Just that they are on hold for 2 weeks. Accept it and move on. It's a game.
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